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    Re: Blackfire SiO2 Wheel Seal

    SWETM- Thanks for your take on this. Again, I`m *NOT* hating on the stuff, just wondering whether I`m missing something.

    Eh, guess I`m just belaboring this topic as I spend so much time doing the nooks and crannies of my wheels, whether they`re coated/LSPed/left bare. The only real difference seems to be that with bare wheels I need to use a Wheel Cleaner, and (Opti)coated wheels don`t need redone as much as LSPed ones.

    I`ve left the Tahoe`s winter wheels bare, and I don`t spend any more time/effort cleaning those than I do the coated ones. And I don`t spend any more/less time cleaning the coated ones compared to the ones wearing conventional LSPs. Guess I`m trying to figure out what`s up with that. There is a minor boost in appearance with coatings/LSPs compared to just having clean (bare) wheels, but IMO only an Autopian would notice.
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    Re: Blackfire SiO2 Wheel Seal

    Quote Originally Posted by Accumulator View Post
    SWETM- Thanks for your take on this. Again, I`m *NOT* hating on the stuff, just wondering whether I`m missing something.

    Eh, guess I`m just belaboring this topic as I spend so much time doing the nooks and crannies of my wheels, whether they`re coated/LSPed/left bare. The only real difference seems to be that with bare wheels I need to use a Wheel Cleaner, and (Opti)coated wheels don`t need redone as much as LSPed ones.

    I`ve left the Tahoe`s winter wheels bare, and I don`t spend any more time/effort cleaning those than I do the coated ones. And I don`t spend any more/less time cleaning the coated ones compared to the ones wearing conventional LSPs. Guess I`m trying to figure out what`s up with that. There is a minor boost in appearance with coatings/LSPs compared to just having clean (bare) wheels, but IMO only an Autopian would notice.
    Could you clean the bare wheels with only rinseless wash after a month of no cleaning?

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    Re: Blackfire SiO2 Wheel Seal

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    Could you clean the bare wheels with only rinseless wash after a month of no cleaning?
    I doubt it, but I`d never try doing that anyhow. I only wash (anything) with a RW if it`s just barely dirty and I`ve never let wheels go that long....ever. Not even when traveling, not even with rental cars.

    If that`s your test case, then I`d be 100% supportive of using a coating, hands-down, no question at all!

    Heh heh, I`m not slamming anybody`s approach or defending my approaches (I currently have wheels that are coated, LSPed, and bare), I really *am* wondering if I`m missing something. It sounds like the one coating I have tried was unusually durable, moreso than what`s available (to a non-pro) today. Guess I`ll find out if/when I get that 22ple out of its bottle and onto some wheels. With all the hassles involved in using a coating (hassles I suspect others don`t have...count your blessings and knock on wood ) I want a bigtime payoff if I bother going that route.

    EDIT: Come to think about it, I don`t think I`ve ever cleaned wheels with just a RW, at least not after driving for a mile or more (I do use that approach when I drive around the block to knock the surface rust off the rotors). Even my quickie in-between-washes wheel/tire cleanups involve multiple buckets, BHBs, mitts, swabs...and at least a half hour (usually more). Yikes, my Inner Autopian is showing

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    Re: Blackfire SiO2 Wheel Seal

    Quote Originally Posted by Accumulator View Post
    EDIT: Come to think about it, I don`t think I`ve ever cleaned wheels with just a RW, at least not after driving for a mile or more (I do use that approach when I drive around the block to knock the surface rust off the rotors). Even my quickie in-between-washes wheel/tire cleanups involve multiple buckets, BHBs, mitts, swabs...and at least a half hour (usually more). Yikes, my Inner Autopian is showing
    Wow, well you are hardcore with the wheels. Me, I’m happy with the faces and barrels (and only the parts of the barrel that are easily seen) being 90% clean. Therefore, a coating and a quick RW or even WW if not too dirty (I don’t care about swirling my silver wheels) gets me to the (easily viewable parts) being 90% or more clean. I do this 2-3 times per week, 4 wheels takes about 10-15 mins... maybe 15 mins during a normal car wash including spraying Hydro Blue. My preference is for wheels to look good most days with minimal effort, but not perfect everywhere. 1-2 coatings a year and Hydro Blue once a month in the summer leaves the cleaning job quick and painless... much more so than when I used normal sealants or wheel waxes.

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    Re: Blackfire SiO2 Wheel Seal

    Quote Originally Posted by Accumulator View Post
    SWETM- Thanks for your take on this. Again, I`m *NOT* hating on the stuff, just wondering whether I`m missing something.

    Eh, guess I`m just belaboring this topic as I spend so much time doing the nooks and crannies of my wheels, whether they`re coated/LSPed/left bare. The only real difference seems to be that with bare wheels I need to use a Wheel Cleaner, and (Opti)coated wheels don`t need redone as much as LSPed ones.

    I`ve left the Tahoe`s winter wheels bare, and I don`t spend any more time/effort cleaning those than I do the coated ones. And I don`t spend any more/less time cleaning the coated ones compared to the ones wearing conventional LSPs. Guess I`m trying to figure out what`s up with that. There is a minor boost in appearance with coatings/LSPs compared to just having clean (bare) wheels, but IMO only an Autopian would notice.
    For me it`s just that it`s so easy to apply it. When you do have the wheels clean it`s just some sprays and then hit with the PW. My wheels are a disaster with the condition of them. So just want something that makes them easy to wash. Maybe there are some parts as the inside of the spokes that don`t get fully protected. But it`s way it works these spray on rinse off products is they spreads where the water goes basicly. And also if you more regualary like once a month it`s able to build up the protection. If you do it often it seems to be saturated with protection and getting easy to streak. For me it`s seems like it holds up as on the paint 2-3 months. And you get many applications from a 1L Gyeon Wet Coat for an example. The thing to have in mind is the shelf life from these is around a year. Then you have to much of the SiO2 hardened in the bottle. So it`s not the cheapest but not to bad either. I like how it looks on trims and rubber too. So useally spraying some on the wheel wells too. If you want to have an easy applyied wheel protection these spray on rinse off products is awesome. And also for maintance if your base protection don`t last the time through before you switch for the season or rotate them and can do a wheels off. They bond great over other protection. If you have the ability to apply a coating or sealant on the wheels when you have them off. And your protection lasts until it`s time to do another wheels off protection. These spray on rinse off products may be not necessary to use. It`s simualar to a coating to maintain but they don`t lasts as long and needs to be apply every 2 months for me. Then I have a easy to clean the wheels. The prewash foam and PW clean rinsing it off and followed with a wheel cleaner and only PW to clean with. I useally use the brushes and clean them every 3-4 wash with the wheel cleaner.

    So as always it`s personal preference which suits you. And there are a lot of different kind of products that you can get there. So no right or wrong as long as the products does what they are suposed to be doing. But it`s fun and interesting at least for me when testing out a new to me product that does it better for me than what I have been doing before. Then you try out something that works less than what you are already useing. But it`s what you get when trying out different things and methods.

    Interesting that about the bare wheels you have experienced. I often wondering about what the difference is between the clearcoat on a wheel vs the clearcoat on the paint. And the surroundings is also a little simualar with plastic trim and rubber. Still it`s different products used on wheels and paint. But say it`s about if it`s safe on only the clearcoat on the wheels and not on the clearcoat on the paint. Or if it`s just the difference between the other materials around the clearcoats. I think it`s the later one.

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    Re: Blackfire SiO2 Wheel Seal

    acuRAS82- Yeah, I guess I do kinda go Autopian-overboard on some of this stuff, at least the Maintenance Washes Eh, I do *not* do much for the backs of the BBS wheels on the `93 Audi, or the steelies-with-wheelcovers on the Crown Vic...although I do pull them and clean `em up right before having those serviced. So I guess it`s feast-or-famine with me, keep some really really nice and barely do anything for the others.

    Your approach might work great on the Crown Vic!

    Sounds like you`re doing it a lot more often than I do, and I bet that day-in day-out your wheels look a *LOT* better than mine do! Sounds like you keep them about 90% most of the time (at least the parts that show). And I am truly impressed that you can do your routine in about 15 minutes! I might spend that long just doing the pockets around the valvestems.

    SWETM- AFAIK, most wheels are powdercoated these days.

    If these products have a limited shelf-life, then they`re probably not for me.

    I`ll admit I just don`t like the idea of that ".. spreads where the water goes basicly...". I prefer knowing/controlling exactly where *everything* goes/doesn`t. Eh, that`s just me.

    And I note that you still find this Detailing stuff "fun and interesting", as I used to. I`m *not* spending one unnecessary minute on it any more. (Yeah, I know..more of my Autopian Heresy, and somebody could probably argue that the way I do stuff takes an awful lot of time too.) That`s one reason I`m asking all these Qs, so I can learn without having to actually do it myself. I guess I`m hoping I might find ways to make it all go quicker and easier while still accomplishing what I want to.
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    Re: Blackfire SiO2 Wheel Seal

    Quote Originally Posted by Accumulator View Post
    acuRAS82-...
    Sounds like you`re doing it a lot more often than I do, and I bet that day-in day-out your wheels look a *LOT* better than mine do! Sounds like you keep them about 90% most of the time (at least the parts that show). And I am truly impressed that you can do your routine in about 15 minutes! I might spend that long just doing the pockets around the valvestems.
    Well, I have no doubt that when you are doing pockets around valve stems (and elsewhere) that you are going beyond my 90%. But overall, like many others, I hate doing wheels and decided awhile ago that its easier for me to spend the short duration of time doing a quick RW/WW to easily-cleaned-due-to-Coating wheels after my son goes to bed than it is for me to miss a weekend morning of playtime with him to do a full, all-out, wheel cleaning session, so I guess I came up with this method out of schedule preference. Saturate, wipe, quick spray again, then final wipe/dry.

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    Re: Blackfire SiO2 Wheel Seal

    kajunman, if I remember correctly, the Sonax video introducing the product said it should last for at least two weeks. I think it lasts longer, but it`s something I just spray on my wheels that have already been coated with CarPro Dlux.
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    acuRAS82- Sounds like you`ve found the perfect approach for you.

    Isn`t it funny how different people hate doing different things?!? You don`t like doing wheels, I can`t *stand* sliming my tires, others hate doing windows..

    Yeah, all those pockets/coves/etc. I have to get down into drive me nuts...never thought of that until I had ones without such [stuff] that I could clean up nice and quick.
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    Re: Blackfire SiO2 Wheel Seal

    Quote Originally Posted by Accumulator View Post
    acuRAS82- Sounds like you`ve found the perfect approach for you.

    Isn`t it funny how different people hate doing different things?!? You don`t like doing wheels, I can`t *stand* sliming my tires, others hate doing windows..
    It’s funny you put it like that, because I recently loved “sliming” my tires (although putting it that way doesn’t make it sound very attractive!). I hated the act of getting down low to slime, but I love having dressed tires. I just recently got turned on to the Mckees Wheel coating which now will do my thing... much less slime and a LOT less touching. Best of both worlds for me hence the easy switch.

    On the other hand, I’ve never had hatred towards windows. I coat them but still find myself applying coating booster every few weeks after about 2-3 mo this of coating app just because... and windows I do like to clean 100% a few times a week to both cars because of its ease...

    this coming from a guy who has lower back issues at times, you can see why I may try to reduce how much time I’m down low cleaning, whereas standing tasks I’m fine taking my time often. We definitely all have unique likes and dislikes.

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    acuRAS82- I appreciate your wanting to minimize all that down-there work with your back being iffy. And/but I just shake my head in wonder that you don`t mind doing the tires Some of mine simply take *forever* due to the sidewalls/etc. on some of them, but one man`s chore is another guy`s hobby

    We`re sure on the same page regarding keeping the windows clean! I bet that never letting them get nasty makes it a lot easier for both of us.

    Which Glass Coating do you like? I`ve never gone that route, but can appreciate its benefits...even the RainX I use on the Crown Vic is better than nothing on that problem-child (huge skipped area right in front of driver ) and RainX is what was already on it when I got the car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Accumulator View Post
    acuRAS82- I appreciate your wanting to minimize all that down-there work with your back being iffy. And/but I just shake my head in wonder that you don`t mind doing the tires Some of mine simply take *forever* due to the sidewalls/etc. on some of them, but one man`s chore is another guy`s hobby

    We`re sure on the same page regarding keeping the windows clean! I bet that never letting them get nasty makes it a lot easier for both of us.

    Which Glass Coating do you like? I`ve never gone that route, but can appreciate its benefits...even the RainX I use on the Crown Vic is better than nothing on that problem-child (huge skipped area right in front of driver ) and RainX is what was already on it when I got the car.
    Accumulator, I would guess you find the wheels so tough because, again, you are likely much more thorough and a better perfectionist than I am (no need to wonder if it’s true, I’ve read enough of your posts). For wheels and tires, if I make them look good enough 2-3x a week for “normal” people to think they look good, I’m OK with that “good enough” attitude at this juncture with my schedule. You likely wouldn’t be content with my work... but I slime the tires in about 90 seconds apiece, or now with the coating I can spend a careful 1-2 hours scrubbing and coating and then a quick car wash wipe after a big rain storm and they fit my criteria.

    For windows I use PBL window coating. The bottle lasts forever, it’s easy to apply after a quick glass polish and would probably last a year or more if I quit touching it with booster toppers. Cleaning is real easy afterwards.

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    acuRAS82- Yeah, it can be hard to tell whether I`m being uber/under Autopian about stuff compared to others here. Some stuff just drives me *nuts* if it`s not the way I want it, while other things don`t phase me at all. Go figure...

    Thanks for the feedback about the PBL Window Coating. I`ll keep that in mind if I ever use up all that RainX...oughta get that car out of mothballs and start using it again anhow!
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    I can`t *stand* sliming my tires,
    I found a way to apply tire dressing that`s pretty easy. I use the Optimum air gun with either diluted Opti-Bond or Blackfire Tire Gel. It sprays on easily and then I just wipe it two to three times around with an applicator and wipe again only when I`m ready to drive. I can do all four tires on the van in less than five minutes.
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    Re: Blackfire SiO2 Wheel Seal

    Maybe if it offered some cleaning/polishing ability like an AIO, similar to Wheel Wax, I would consider trying it.

 

 
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