the griots is 7amp 850w
this is 7.5amp 880w so its not the SAME motor
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the ONLY thing that will stop me from selling my 15 and buying the knock off is if they dont offer a 5" backing plate. I have 0 6.5" pads and over 30 5.5" pads so I am not changing that.
I see they make this only has a 8mm obit but shares same design as the 21mm so maybe the backing plate on it will share
http://www.maxshinechina.com/product...assid=25&id=82
I`m not an electrican, nor am I even close to one. In fact, I hate electronics!!!!
That said, I have spoken to several motor suppliers in our industry, and the way they expressed watts to me is like this...
Watts is the draw, or the amount of power used. When talking about an engine in a car, this would be like the miles per gallon or fuel consumption. While a larger draw often mean more power, efficiencies also play a large amount in the output.
It is possible to have a 600 watt pull deliver LESS output then a 400 watt pull. Again, I don`t know enough electronics to enter in the debate you reference on AGO, at all, but I did understand that part from some engineers in the tool industry.
Here is the thing.. the spin of the pad is caused by the weight of the rotating assembly (pad/backing plate/bearings) as well as the speed and length of the stroke.
The Rupes motor in the 21 and 15 is plenty strong enough... Try as you might, you cannot bog the orbital action of the machine (it has enough power to whip that weight (pad/backing plate/arm) 21 mm away from its center at a rate of 4000 RPM. That is significant.
The reason that the pad stalls on corners is because of drag caused by the large pad, the friction and the size of the stroke. If a larger stroke creates more pad rotation, how does it also stall it? Much in the way that 6th gear will give you a higher top speed but less acceleration... The long stroke doesn`t build momentum quite as quickly...
That said, if you get some bogging on the edge of a body panel, don`t lift! In stead press down more. Engage and compress the pad so that all of that huge orbital motion will be transferred through the pad. You may even pick up a slow rotation by pressing harder.
Pad rotation has nothing do to with power (well it does, but not in this case). The Rupes 21 will keep operating at its maximum of 4000 OPM until a LOT of pressure is applied (you will hear it audibly stall). You can get the same effect (usually easier) on the Griot`s.
Neither machine controls pad rotation directly by the motor, each uses a free spinning bearing. It`s just a characteristic of the large stroke and pad dynamics.
That said, the Rupes Duetto has less power than the Griot`s and will easily out perform, at least in every circumstance that I have tried thus far.
You would have to define improvement. Improved power? Yes.
I can tell that the Porter Cable has a far better track record then any polisher on the market in terms of durability. When I am asked which polisher I prefer, between the three "normal" DA`s, I make it a point to state each has their pluses and minus.
The Griot`s is the most powerful.
The Meguiar`s is the smoothest and most comfortable.
The Porter Cable outsells them by a considerable margin and is, by far, our least returned product. They just don`t break.
I will disagree on that one..I had a PC before my Griots and that thing was soo underpowered I wanted to throw it against the wall it frustrated me so bad with how the slightest amount of pressure will stop the movement of the pad. When I got my griots it was night and day it would keep spinning with pressure in places the PC just stopped on. I will take a lifetime warranty product over something that sells more of and doesnt break. I can careless if they can last along time if the POS thing doesnt have the nuts to polish out a curve on a body cause it stops rotation. I would recommend a griots to anyone over a PC anyday of the week. you get a 3year warranty with it so after 3years your SOL..Griots lifetime no matter what replaced for free. easy choice
Rupes Mini Demo
http://youtu.be/rCfZItdWoiI
id like to see a side by side of a Rupes and griots machine using same pads on same panel and see how much of a difference there is if any at all.
no thats the 6" I wanna see the mini 3" vs the griot 3"
I own the Griots and 15 so I know how they perform to each other.
I want to see what makes it worth $200 over price of griots over something so specialized. I mean the 3" will be used on such a small portion of working on the car. I am sure my Griots with the 2.75" backing plate is far superior but its a larger unit that doesnt fit into tighter spots like the griots 3"
I have the Griots 3" machine and have gotten use to the fact that it is down on power. At SEMA I was given a chance to try the 3" Rupes on one of their test panels. I was blown away by the difference. I have used a friend of mines LHR75 and it`s a great tool so now my problem is which to buy. If money was no object I would have both the units but that`s not the case.
Paul Sparks
Distinctive Auto Detailing
Indianapolis IN 46234
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Well Todd! Why didn`t you tell me this months ago???? You were def more right than me(I could never be wrong! Just less right!). I just did this and you hit it on the head... Push harder it picked up rotation again. Always gotta have all the right answers gaaaaawwwwdddd I thought I sounded smart!!! Thanks for the tip you sir are the man!
Orinda Auto Detail
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Dear Jsmooth & Todd
Pushing down harder to pick up rotation is about the most counterintuitive thing I`ve ever heard.
I bet if that little nugget of information were included in the product directions or printed on the box, the fortunate people who received these machines would be much happier with them.
— Jaddie
2012 Honda Odyssey EX-L Nav. (mine)
2016 Ford Escape Titanium (hers)
— Jaddie
2012 Honda Odyssey EX-L Nav. (mine)
2016 Ford Escape Titanium (hers)
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