I can attest that PA Presto lasts months in good weather. However, I had no idea it had sio2.
I agree that ECH20 shouldn’t make the list, but just by a hair. It’s one of those “if it’s 60 degrees and not raining you’ll get a few weeks” type sprays.
I can attest that PA Presto lasts months in good weather. However, I had no idea it had sio2.
I agree that ECH20 shouldn’t make the list, but just by a hair. It’s one of those “if it’s 60 degrees and not raining you’ll get a few weeks” type sprays.
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Perhaps variety of experiences and expectations will never allow for a true consensus so we could always borrow the definition of obscenity. Lord knows the pricing of some of this stuff would appear to be obscene to the common person...Former Justice Potter Stewart of the Supreme Court of the United States, in attempting to classify what material constituted exactly "what is obscene," famously wrote, "I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced ... but I know it when I see it...."
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Coating Lites (7+ month durability):
Gyeon CanCoat
TAC Moonlight
Angelwax TI-22 (avg. durability unconfirmed)
Substantial Coating Sprays (~4-6 month durability)
IGL Premier
Kamikaze Overcoat
PA Viking Spritz
PA Cosmic Spritz
Angelwax Enigma QED
Adam`s Ceramic Spray Coating (avg. durability unconfirmed)
Coating Maintenance Sprays (~0.5-3 month durability):
22ple VS1 Final Coat
Feynlab Ceramic Spray Sealant
PA High Gloss
PA Carnauba Arts sprays (contains carnauba)
PA Rapidwaxx (contains carnauba)
PA Presto (contains carnauba)
TAC Quartzmax
CarPro Reload
CarPro Elixir
Gtechniq C2V2
Gyeon Cure
Hydrosilex Recharge
Mckees 10 Minute Paint Sealant
Blackfire SiO2 Spray
Wolfgang SiO2 Spray
Pinnacle SiO2 Spray
Mothers CMX
Blackfire Coating Booster
PBL Coating Booster
Sonax Brilliant Shine Detailer
Shine Supply Clutch
Adam`s Ceramic Boost
DPC Armor
Dr. Beasley`s AdvanceCoat: Gloss
Surf City Garage Speed Shield
Britemax Remax SiO2 Hydrophobic Spray Sealant (avg. durability unconfirmed)
Jay Leno Radiant (avg. durability unconfirmed)
I tried to incorporate all suggestions over the last day and a half. I know there`s a month gap in-between the groups, but since they are estimated durations, it creates a little border between each. If you hate my 3rd group name, feel free to comment. I veered from "Premium" out since it shouldn`t depend on price, just durability.
Updates in red, including Cure and Jay Leno added. Wasn`t sure if Angelwax TI-22 belonged in Substantial or Coating Lite. I removed the Sonax`s. I didn`t add Gliss or TAC Top Coat because I don`t believe these are sprays.
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Darn good list! I’m not sure about PA High Gloss in the “Substantial” list though. I only got 2 weeks out of it. I’m not sure if it’s because of the high Tio2 and the low SiO2 but it doesn’t last anywhere near as long as it’s brethren Cosmic and Viking. It’s a great gloss enhancer but I wouldn’t use it as a stand alone like the others.
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I`d be disappointed if I bought a SIo2 topper that just lasted a couple weeks. I can get that much on bare paint with Duragloss rinseless wash. Some of these maintenance products seem to be more hype than substance.
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Inverted, was wondering if you had any durability numbers from using Adams 9H to help decide where it belongs.
RLM experienced a couple weeks with PA HG. SWETM may have experienced more. I’ve used it as a topper only and it seemed to last well over a month (by my eye, the LSP below looked quite different) before I played with something else. I`m moving it down to maintenance for the moment (reflected in thread #35 above now) as I agree it may not go 3-4 months on avg. 3 months is quite a lot. Others can chime in we can modify if necessary.
Unfortunately I don’t think Adams 9h has been out that long. Adams does a great job explaining why it is a coating lite on their website and I’d recommend anyone to read as I thought it was insightful. Makes sense of coating lites. Leaving it in the 4-5 month range till proven seems right.
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According to the SDS PA Presto is 25% SiO2 and 30% TiO2 in it. Rapidwaxx is 30/30. Sprayduster which is theirs QD is 12/12. Presto was made for Master Sealant as a topper with their 5% carnuaba processed. Claims 4-6 months longevity but that is not something you often gets if you not apply it on bare paint maybe and then goes the whole topper for Master Sealant out of the door LOL
I have so far only done 2 tests with PA High Gloss. And to get a great comparison I had it against BSD. The first test got comprimised since Adam`s Waterless Wash claimed at least here in Sweden that it was nothing in it. But must have a good amount of glossenhancers as both did not so good on that test. And since I`m more familier with BSD I knowned something was of. Next test with Reset car soap as the car soap and prewash foam with a TFR. I got the expected from BSD at almost 3 months longevity and High Gloss close behind. This on a car that sits outside 24/7 but not driven. What I noticed with HG was that even if the water behavior dropped it was still that slightly darkening effect left and it was gone with the BSD the looks from it. And I think that HG is to be seen as a glossenhancer and depends on the protection that it`s applyied before. As a stand alone LSP it seems to be not so great longevity from. But the looks on a dark blue metallic VW Passat paint was very good as it makes the metallic flakes pops amazingly. Will be interesting to see how it will do when it`s time for topping the Master Sealant on my silver metallic Kia cee`d SW. Bright and a lot of metallic flakes in it can be an interesting look from PA High Gloss.
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I am curious why CanCoat is under coating light but DPC Armor is under maintenance toppers because both claim to have 10% Sio2. Where are we drawing the destination between these two products and similar?
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Have you heard of the longevity from DPC Armor? Not claimed but from those who have used it. CanCoat is knowned for it`s longevity from many who have used it. Then it`s hard with just takeing the amount of SiO2 and put in the longevity range because of that. Polish Angel Cosmic Spritz that has a high concentration of 35% SiO2 I think not has as long longevity as CanCoat. There are different way to mix chemicals that gets to be SiO2 on the paint. And also other chemicals mixed in to be the hydrophobic layer and the slickness. For what I saw on DPC Armor was it also has silicone in it too. That`s an easy way to get a slickness feel to the touch. Some uses TiO2 as Mothers CMX does and SiO2. Also PA uses TiO2 much in their products as it`s very reflective and also durable. But need something else in it to get the hydrophobics and protection as a LSP. TiO2 for an example is one thing in white pigment in paints. SiO2 is even used in some food products mostly in powder mixes to not get it to lumps together. In EU it has it`s own E-number where all different chemical and chemical mixes addetives is sorted out mostly for the food industrie. So different chemicals gets SiO2 to behave differently and also different chemicals can get to be SiO2 in the end. And most coatings has not pure SiO2 in them. And the atom build up in silicone is very a like SiO2 as the main chemical chain is Si-O-Si-O-Si and other atoms attached to this string. While SiO2 is O-Si-O and get attached to other atoms and strings in that form. And this is just the basics so SiO2 technology is very much a complicated chemistry and can come in many different ways to ceramic coatings than just the use of pure SiO2.
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Yes, echoing SWETM in a much less intelligent sounding way, SiO2 percentages don’t seem to directly correlate with average mild weather longevity that the list is based on.
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