Topping Glazes with Sealents- bonding issues

[machboy]

Hey fellas was wondering if there are bonding issues with topping a glaze with a sealent.



Example would be: #80 topped with UPP



I ask because i know certain sealents like KSG need a clean oil free surface to bond to (like AIO). And the oils from a glaze would hinder that. So does this go for all sealents? or is it unique to KSG? I love the look of a glaze and love the durability of a sealent but not sure on using two together.



thanks in advance.



- Scott

[imported_Neothin]

UPP is a really easy sealant to work with. I haven`t had any bonding issues with it using 3 different glazes, #7, RMG, and VM. I doubt that the oils from #80 will cause an issue.

[imported_NHBFAN]

I`ll probably get flamed for this, but I believe an oil free surface, e.g. a properly prepped surface with a base of AIO, PB`s PP, or UPPC would provide a better bonding surface than products, e.g. VM, #80, etc ...



That being said I`ve still used combos like VM + EX (or EX-P) hundreds of times. Durability isn`t an issue on my own vehicle, I`m always applying something to it.

[machboy]

Interesting info. thank you both for replying.

[docker]

At another board there is someone who routinely tops VM with UPP and loves the effects.



I just ordered some WG Glaze to apply prior to WG sealant, which shouldn`t be an issue.

[Sherman8r44]

I`ll probably get flamed for this, but I believe an oil free surface, e.g. a properly prepped surface with a base of AIO, PB`s PP, or UPPC would provide a better bonding surface than products, e.g. VM, #80, etc ...



That being said I`ve still used combos like VM + EX (or EX-P) hundreds of times. Durability isn`t an issue on my own vehicle, I`m always applying something to it.



Don`t feel flamed, it is absolutely correct! Most sealants should have a clean, oil- and wax-free surface to bond with. Although I have seen different with the case of VM and, at times, PB PwC, most sealants should go on an unglazed surface.

[sbkang]

There`s also the option of Menzerna FTG + FMJ, though I don`t know if either of those would be recommended for use with "other" glazes or sealants.

[Sherman8r44]

FWIW, I think that DP`s Final Finishing Polish really increases gloss and reflection nicely, kinda like a permanent glaze. And it can be used under a sealant, because it`s just a chemical cleaner/very mild abrasive polish.

[Scottwax]

FWIW, I think that DP`s Final Finishing Polish really increases gloss and reflection nicely, kinda like a permanent glaze. And it can be used under a sealant, because it`s just a chemical cleaner/very mild abrasive polish.



I agree. The look is similar to Vanilla Moose and probably more sealant friendly with respects to bonding.

[Richt]

I think the use of any sealant of glazes will compromise durabilty. I have used EX-p, UPP and Wolfgang over VM and RMG loads of times as they look so good, but for lasting results and maximum durabilty as oil free base is a must.



I have put my glazes back on the shelf and done AIO, Autoglym Extra Gloss x 3 and #16 x 2 for winter, a slight compromise on looks, but it should last.

[machboy]

the only reason i had asked this is i love the look that a glaze gives the paint and also like the durability of a sealent. But if can`t have my cake and eat it too i understand...hahah.

[Scottwax]

the only reason i had asked this is i love the look that a glaze gives the paint and also like the durability of a sealent. But if can`t have my cake and eat it too i understand...hahah.



VM or RMG under EX w/carnauba is having your cake and eating it too. :idea

[Mark77]

Interesting. the only sealant I have used over #80 is NXT, seems to work well. As soon as I get my SSR2,5 I will try using that with my Cyclo as a base for AIO + a sealant.

[Richt]

VM or RMG under EX w/carnauba is having your cake and eating it too. :idea



A great combo on Solid colours, looks great on flat Black and Red, muted the flakes on my Met. black paint though. Shame as I loved that combo.






Interesting. the only sealant I have used over #80 is NXT, seems to work well. As soon as I get my SSR2,5 I will try using that with my Cyclo as a base for AIO + a sealant.



#80 and NXT should be fine as the cleaners in NXT should remove the oils left behind anyway.

[stilez]

Theoretically, you should do a 50/50 IPA wipedown before the application of any sealant.





Using products like Klasse AIO or 4* UPC help with bonding and exnay the IPA wipedown.





Over a glaze, you are pretty much going for looks. I haven`t had great luck with any sealant bonding over, say, CK VM.