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EBPcivicsi
04-05-2005, 09:23 PM
DISCLAIMER ********** I received this sample free from Mike Phillips by posting in a thread on MOL. I signed up for the sample under the condition that I would post an honest review of the product on MOL. I should also mention that I learned to detail with Meguiars products and have been forever biased towards them. The darkening effect of their products are what *I* look for when detailing. My eye has been trained to see that darkening as the way properly prepped paint should look. Just trying to be fair.





I have used the #21 on three seperate ocassions now. I have used it by hand and via PC, but not with the rotary...I don`t think I will.



Packaging Well the bottle is a sample bottle, but I have no problems with it. I am sure the real #21 bottles are neatly packaged with clear instructions. :D



http://img230.exs.cx/img230/2082/tn12727885hw.jpg





Physical description of the product #21 is a thick purple liquid that doesn`t seem to have any artificial scent added.



Application Via PC #21 is as you would expect very easy to apply. I applied it with a meguiars foam finishing pad at a speed of 3. A few drops on the pad covered my entire hood and front quater panel. It DID NOT stain my trim which is smooth plastic, not textured.

http://img230.exs.cx/img230/2830/tn12727892rp.jpg



By hand the product applies easily and spreads thinnly. I had no problem getting a thin even layer. The spots that were a little thicker were no problem to remove and did not streak. The temp was in the mid 70`s both times I applied it, the hunidity was normal.





Removal Removing the #21 via a pak shak MF was a breeze, no streaking, no hard rubbing, just clean removal. I waited about 15 minutes before removal. I also saw no dusting and my towel did not load up as quickly as when using other LSP`s.



Summary Having applied #21 to two different vehicles I get the sense that its closest relative within the Meguiars product line is not NXT at all, rather it is the new formula of GC. As I used #21 I was constantly reminded of the new GC, the removal is the same, application seems really close, even the look of the finished product is similar. Compared to NXT the #21 doesn`t seem to darken the paint as much, but does seem to have more crisp, clear reflections. I also feel that there is less set up time needed for the #21 compared to NXT. With NXT I find that if I don`t let it completely set up before removal, I get *some* streaking. With the #21 after about 15 minutes you are ready for streak free removal. I also find that the #21 spreads more easily than NXT and therefore removal is a touch easier and there is less dust. Not that NXT produces a lot of dust......



As far as cleaners go, I find it less than #20 and about the same as NXT. I applied a coat to my whels which are not clear coated, #20 turns the applicator RED, NXT and #21 only show a slight bit of paint transfer. I like that it has cleaners.



Final process



I applied PB`s SSR2 with the PC and a meguiars polishing pad @5.5.



I then applied #81 witht he PC and a meguiars finishing pad @3.



Next I applied one coat of #21 with the PC and a meguiars finishing pad on 3.



Finally I applied one more coat by hand with a foam applicator. I applied the second coat by hand to minimize the cleaning ability of the product and to ensure even coverage.



All products were removed with pak shak MF`s.

EBPcivicsi
04-05-2005, 09:24 PM
Does this count as full sun?

:D

http://img230.exs.cx/img230/2883/tn12727921cf.jpg



Reflections

http://img230.exs.cx/img230/3271/tn12727934qs.jpg



http://img230.exs.cx/img230/3879/tn12828150ai.jpg



mmmm pearl

http://img230.exs.cx/img230/6503/tn12727942hv.jpg



http://img230.exs.cx/img230/9469/tn12727997yu.jpg



http://img230.exs.cx/img230/2299/tn12828027jl.jpg



Just for fun

http://img230.exs.cx/img230/3121/tn12828052ax.jpg

HowardPearson
04-05-2005, 09:29 PM
Any comment on durability?

According to Meg`s NXT is still their longest lasting LSP, which IMO is not a good thing.



How does the 21 react to rain/hose water? (Sheeting or Beading)



--The Pics look Great!

EBPcivicsi
04-05-2005, 09:34 PM
Originally posted by duke727

Any comment on durability?

According to Meg`s NXT is still their longest lasting LSP, which IMO is not a good thing.



How does the 21 react to rain/hose water? (Sheeting or Beading)



--The Pics look Great!



Haven`t had the chance to wash either vehicle yet, but was beading in the rain on week two. I will probably see how long it can go on my SO`s SUV.



From what I understand the NXT is the best *protecting* which does not neccessarily mean the most durable. #21 could be more durable, but protect less. :nixweiss

wannafbody
04-05-2005, 09:36 PM
those pics look real good-looks like it has better gloss than 26

imported_hadboosttroy
04-05-2005, 09:59 PM
looks really really good. when is this slated for release?



ot- but is that a mugen twin loop on there? :bow

EBPcivicsi
04-05-2005, 10:03 PM
Originally posted by hadboosttroy

looks really really good. when is this slated for release?



ot- but is that a mugen twin loop on there? :bow



It is currently for sale on meguiars site.



Definitely a twinloop, the only way to go for me. You should hear it at 8100 rpm`s........beautiful. :D No high pitched raspy garbage, just a few notes over stock.

imported_series1
04-05-2005, 10:07 PM
That paint is popping!

Scottwax
04-05-2005, 11:19 PM
Holy 56k death, Batman!



First few pics look really nice. I haven`t tried #21 yet but I plan on picking some up next time I am at my Meguiars distributor.



How is the slickness?

RCBuddha
04-05-2005, 11:30 PM
Scott,



I got to feel some freshly applied #21 at the Meguiar`s class on saturday. Its not as slick as say, UPP, but I felt it was as slick as NXT.



EB...Awesome pics man! I love the how the pearl finish looks!

BigAl3
04-05-2005, 11:42 PM
you have one of the cleanest vics i`ve ever seen, nice job. :up

travisdecpn
04-06-2005, 12:10 AM
I found that after a day both the look and the slickness improve.

grt1today
04-06-2005, 01:00 AM
Ebpcivicsi, you said about 15 mins removal for #21, how long were you leaving NXT on before removal?

94BlkStang
04-06-2005, 01:17 AM
Originally posted by ebpcivicsi

Haven`t had the chance to wash either vehicle yet, but was beading in the rain on week two. I will probably see how long it can go on my SO`s SUV.



From what I understand the NXT is the best *protecting* which does not neccessarily mean the most durable. #21 could be more durable, but protect less. :nixweiss



That came out looking really nice. What other LSP`s have you used and how does the shine compare to them?:D

Mad iX
04-06-2005, 01:58 AM
From what I`ve seen so far, it`s not really all that similar to NXT, except for the cleaners. I`ve never used GC so I can`t personally compare it to that.

I should be getting #21 this weekend, but I just got WG ... which one to try???



Btw, awesome pics. That full on sun shot is beautiful.