Pinnacle Souveran vrs P21S Carnauba Wax

[johnvixen]

I`m on the fence ....

I`ve seen the results of P21S Carnauba Wax and was amazed at some of the results. However, I haven`t seen any Pinnacle Souveran results.

[MS22]

Using the "Search" feature, type in Souveran, and select "Click & Brag" as the subforum.

[TGates]

It kind of depends on what color your car is. I think Souveran will give better results (deeper, richer glow) if your car is black, red, DARK blue, etc., and P21S will give better results on a lighter colored, or metallic paint. That`s not to say P21S won`t make a dark colored car look great, but I think Souveran is geared more towards darker colors.

[eclipsegt05]

I agree with Blacksunshine. Both are top of the line waxes that give exceptional results on specific colors but also provide great results on all colors.

[imported_Axe]

Similarly, I have P21s and a black car, just how much difference would I see using souveran then ? It`s pretty expensive stuff so it would need to be much much better? Would it be worth the cost ?

[imported_The Uncle]

Axe, you probably know this, but S100 and PS21S are essentially the same product. S100 is only $15 USD, and Souveran is $70.00 USD. There are also some other products that offer similar levels of performance for S100`s price - Natty`s and Meguair`s #16, in particular.



So, you should ask yourself whether your like Soveran so much that it is essentially worth spending about four time othe price of these other products.

[denali-d]

It really boils down to personal preference and paint. Is your car a straight black or metallic? All of the black BMW 3`s I`ve done have been metallic and I prefer the look of a sealant on them (eg. EX-P.) However, on my vehicle I haven`t found anything that touches Souveran. Here`s a couple pics.



http://autopia.org/gallery/data/500/18174denali_hood_reflection.jpg



http://autopia.org/gallery/data/500/18174denali_big3-med.jpg

[Richt]

I posted a question a while ago but got no replies, do people use a different approach to Metallic Black to Flat Black?



I have P21s, Nattys, #16, CMW, which I would be using to top Ex, Ex-p or Nxt over VM.



One car I am tempted to buy next month is Metallic Black, should I think about grabbing the some Soveran or will I be ok with the Carnuba`s I already have.



http://erc.qmuc.ac.uk/cliosport/gallery/full/1108864574__Ady182022.jpg



Best example I can find of the colur.

[imported_Axe]

Looks really nice Denali-D, I do have mettalic paint you are correct, but whoa $70.00, 40UKP plus shipping that is expensive stuff! I am with you uncle, I think its way too pricey for me. Might go with the Ex-P (once it arrives) though Denali-D :)

[denali-d]

Originally posted by Axe

Looks really nice Denali-D, I do have mettalic paint you are correct, but whoa $70.00, 40UKP plus shipping that is expensive stuff! I am with you uncle, I think its way too pricey for me. Might go with the Ex-P (once it arrives) though Denali-D :)



Thanks for the complement, even with the sub-par pictures and all. But I agree, for that amount of money it really isn`t worth it, especially on a metallic. I think you`ll like the look of the EX-P though, while it`s not the slickest or most durable sealant, it gives a really crisp, clean look perfect for metallics.

[RobD]

Using Souveran is very easy and it does provide a unique appearance, but on my well prepared black paint, it looks a tad blah. Deep and dark, but...not much life (following FP). On this paint, EX/#16/P21 all look better, to me. They still enhance the depth, yet provide more gloss/pop. Lets face it, well prepared black paint is already deep and dark. I didn`t use a glaze after the FP, I went straight to Souveran. Should I have? I figured, why alter the Souveran`s effect on a pristine finish. Which glaze compliments Souveran pretty well? TIA

[lbls1]

I`ve used p21s on my black car (#2) and I have to say that it provided excellent results. That wax is also very long lasting. Not sure how it would rate with pinnacle, but p21s does a lot for your money IMO.

[Bill D]

P21s is clearly a very nice wax but I don`t find to be particularly long lasting, not in the realm of a sealant. It`s the sort of product where you have to want to routinely reapply regularly for keeping up the best appearance.

[AMP01]

Souveran is one of the most luxurious waxes to use on properly prepped black paint. Here is a pic of Souveran on black in a garage-



http://autopia.org/gallery/data/500/2805first_pic_with_souveran.jpg



Here is another pic of Souveran x 2 over EX-



http://autopia.org/gallery/data/500/2805souveran_sunset_reflections.jpg



Souveran gives a very deep and wet look.



Cheers,

[Scottwax]

I keep going back to Souveran, especially now that my black car is prepped within an inch of its life. It is noticably deeper and more liquid looking than P21S/S100, although on lighter colors and metallics I`d go with S100, #16, Natty`s or Pink Wax since Souveran`s advantage on darker colors also means it slightly mutes metallics.



This is Souveran over well prepped black paint.



http://www.scottwax.com/images/exotics/2004_RR_Phantom_Souveran.jpg



http://www.scottwax.com/scott/my_626_side_souveranx2.jpg