View Full Version : Definitive list of pure waxes and synthetic paint protectant?
Mike_Phillips
02-20-2004, 01:21 AM
Hi all,
I would like to build a list of all waxes/polishes/paint protectants that are believed to be layerable.
Let me start the list,
* Klasse SG
* Zaino Z2, Z3 and Z5
* 4 Star Ultimate Paint Protection
Which other products should be added.
Thanks for your contribution.
Mike
Scottwax
02-20-2004, 01:27 AM
I am pretty sure that Steve at Poorboys says his EX Sealant w/Carnauba is layerable. He has a pure sealant version also which I would guess would also be layerable.
rstype
02-20-2004, 02:04 AM
Originally posted by Scottwax
I am pretty sure that Steve at Poorboys says his EX Sealant w/Carnauba is layerable.
That I disagree on. My $0.00002...
rstype
02-20-2004, 02:09 AM
UPP/BF/DPPS - I`m not sure. They`re very, very gentle, solvent-wise, but I`m under the notion that whatever oils in there may interrupt crosslinking and undergoing change, so it does not layer.
I could be wrong.
Any `third party` chemists want to comment?
JustinR32
02-20-2004, 08:56 AM
Since you listed waxes, I`ll add some of the carnaubas:
Mother`s Cal Gold Natural
S100
Souveran Paste & liquid
P21S
#16
#26 (paste)
Meg`s step 3
Tom
SuperBuick
02-20-2004, 09:14 AM
Zymol Destiny, Zymol Concours, Pinnacle Souveran/Paste Glaz/Signature Series
Blackfire AFPP
-Tom
EBPcivicsi
02-20-2004, 09:16 AM
Trade secret
Mosca,
I don`t believe #26 or #16 is technically layerable. A second coat etc will basically fill in any spots that were missed previously or poorly covered but it`s ability to actually have 2-3 layers is very unlikely.
My 2 cents:
You can layer a wax on top of a sealant definitely but layering carnuba waxes and adding additional durability and protection is very suspect IMO.
Paul
Gonzo
02-20-2004, 09:32 AM
SONUS QD is layerable with UPP and SG
bigguy
02-20-2004, 09:42 AM
Scottwax on Detail City Dewayne stated that EX containing carnuaba will not allow sealant like Zanio, UPP or Klasse SG to layer on top of them.
SuperBuick
02-20-2004, 10:13 AM
Paco - the point of layering a pure carnauba like Zymol or Pinnacle is to increase the depth of shine, not to increase the thickness of the coat or to increase protection. Its done to marginally affect/improve the aesthetic qualities.
-Tom
JustinR32
02-20-2004, 10:22 AM
I took the question to mean, "doesn`t erase the previous product". IOW, you can put S100 over SG, but you can`t put Gold Class over SG. So, S100 is "layerable".
But y`know what, unless one of us decides to do a chemical analysis of what`s covering that paint in all these "layering" instances that we`ve thought up, it`s all conjecture, it`s all what we think.
Tom
Accumulator
02-20-2004, 11:26 AM
Heh heh, hope this doesn`t turn into a "is NOT layerable"/ "is TOO!" sort of thread :D
I honestly can`t tell if "straight waxes" layer. *I* think they look better if you apply numerous lay...uhm, "applications", but it`s not like SG where you can FEEL the stuff between your finger and the paint after so many coats.
Anyhow, to what others have listed, I`ll add Malm`s.
*I* have found that Malm`s liquid carnauba wax "layers". In fact, it`ll build up until silver paint looks "tarnished" if you apply it too often. Had to clean it off the Jag; I was taking off yellowish wax residue (using PPCL). No question in MY mind it was "wax build up". Seemed perfectly obvious, the car NEVER got dirty (so I wasn`t cleaning off dirt) and what I was taking off looked like wax.
togwt
02-20-2004, 11:35 AM
~One mans opinion / observation~
Conjecture: you can`t increase the maximum thickness (‘layering’) of the wax film, but you can increase it’s density, there is however a limit to this density.
To the list: for a ‘name’ Griot’s paste or liquid (but they are both Carnaubas and already covered)
I agree with both Mosca and SuperBuick’s comments
~Hope this helps~
Experience unshared; is knowledge wasted…/
justadumbarchitect * so i question everything*
Mike_Phillips
02-20-2004, 11:35 AM
Originally posted by BW
UPP/BF/DPPS - I`m not sure. They`re very, very gentle, solvent-wise, but I`m under the notion that whatever oils in there may interrupt crosslinking and undergoing change, so it does not layer.
I could be wrong.
Any `third party` chemists want to comment?
I have the BlackFire, I bought it last spring, would this be BlackFire II?
Excuse my, but what is DPPS?
Thanks,
Mike