Definitive list of pure waxes and synthetic paint protectant?

[Mike_Phillips]

Hi all,



I would like to build a list of all waxes/polishes/paint protectants that are believed to be layerable.



Let me start the list,



* Klasse SG

* Zaino Z2, Z3 and Z5

* 4 Star Ultimate Paint Protection



Which other products should be added.



Thanks for your contribution.



Mike

[Scottwax]

I am pretty sure that Steve at Poorboys says his EX Sealant w/Carnauba is layerable. He has a pure sealant version also which I would guess would also be layerable.

[rstype]

Originally posted by Scottwax

I am pretty sure that Steve at Poorboys says his EX Sealant w/Carnauba is layerable.



That I disagree on. My $0.00002...

[rstype]

UPP/BF/DPPS - I`m not sure. They`re very, very gentle, solvent-wise, but I`m under the notion that whatever oils in there may interrupt crosslinking and undergoing change, so it does not layer.



I could be wrong.



Any `third party` chemists want to comment?

[JustinR32]

Since you listed waxes, I`ll add some of the carnaubas:



Mother`s Cal Gold Natural

S100

Souveran Paste & liquid

P21S

#16

#26 (paste)

Meg`s step 3







Tom

[SuperBuick]

Zymol Destiny, Zymol Concours, Pinnacle Souveran/Paste Glaz/Signature Series



Blackfire AFPP



-Tom

[EBPcivicsi]

Trade secret

[paco]

Mosca,



I don`t believe #26 or #16 is technically layerable. A second coat etc will basically fill in any spots that were missed previously or poorly covered but it`s ability to actually have 2-3 layers is very unlikely.



My 2 cents:



You can layer a wax on top of a sealant definitely but layering carnuba waxes and adding additional durability and protection is very suspect IMO.



Paul

[Gonzo]

SONUS QD is layerable with UPP and SG

[bigguy]

Scottwax on Detail City Dewayne stated that EX containing carnuaba will not allow sealant like Zanio, UPP or Klasse SG to layer on top of them.

[SuperBuick]

Paco - the point of layering a pure carnauba like Zymol or Pinnacle is to increase the depth of shine, not to increase the thickness of the coat or to increase protection. Its done to marginally affect/improve the aesthetic qualities.



-Tom

[JustinR32]

I took the question to mean, "doesn`t erase the previous product". IOW, you can put S100 over SG, but you can`t put Gold Class over SG. So, S100 is "layerable".



But y`know what, unless one of us decides to do a chemical analysis of what`s covering that paint in all these "layering" instances that we`ve thought up, it`s all conjecture, it`s all what we think.





Tom

[Accumulator]

Heh heh, hope this doesn`t turn into a "is NOT layerable"/ "is TOO!" sort of thread :D



I honestly can`t tell if "straight waxes" layer. *I* think they look better if you apply numerous lay...uhm, "applications", but it`s not like SG where you can FEEL the stuff between your finger and the paint after so many coats.



Anyhow, to what others have listed, I`ll add Malm`s.



*I* have found that Malm`s liquid carnauba wax "layers". In fact, it`ll build up until silver paint looks "tarnished" if you apply it too often. Had to clean it off the Jag; I was taking off yellowish wax residue (using PPCL). No question in MY mind it was "wax build up". Seemed perfectly obvious, the car NEVER got dirty (so I wasn`t cleaning off dirt) and what I was taking off looked like wax.

[togwt]

~One mans opinion / observation~



Conjecture: you can`t increase the maximum thickness (‘layering’) of the wax film, but you can increase it’s density, there is however a limit to this density.



To the list: for a ‘name’ Griot’s paste or liquid (but they are both Carnaubas and already covered)



I agree with both Mosca and SuperBuick’s comments



~Hope this helps~





Experience unshared; is knowledge wasted…/



justadumbarchitect * so i question everything*

[Mike_Phillips]

Originally posted by BW

UPP/BF/DPPS - I`m not sure. They`re very, very gentle, solvent-wise, but I`m under the notion that whatever oils in there may interrupt crosslinking and undergoing change, so it does not layer.



I could be wrong.



Any `third party` chemists want to comment?



I have the BlackFire, I bought it last spring, would this be BlackFire II?



Excuse my, but what is DPPS?



Thanks,



Mike