PwC vs VM?

[imported_NHBFAN]

Has anyone used both PB`s PwC and VM and would like to compare the two?



I haven`t used PwC yet, but I suspect it`s a little more aggressive polish. Is that correct?

[Poorboy]

check with or pm Scottwax, he`s used both of them extensively lately.

:xyxthumbs

[Scottwax]

Both products are very close in terms of appearance, ease of use and cleaning ability. You can`t go wrong with either product. I`ve used PwC with Clearkote`s Carnauba Moose and VM with Poorboy`s EX Sealant and been very happy with both combinations.



PwC is supposed to enhance the durability of EX and even though VM doesn`t have any carnauba in it (petrolum based protection), I would think it has a similar effect. I used VM/EX on a black S600 about 6 weeks ago and when I washed in on Tuesday, it was beading like mad and had terrific slickness still.



Honestly, I`d keep a bottle of each on hand, mix and match or use within Clearkote`s or Poorboy`s systems. I`m anxious to try each one under Meguiars NXT too.

[imported_NHBFAN]

Scottwax,



I`ve searched for the picture you posted of the red jeep`s hood that you took after completing half of the hood with PwC, but couldn`t find it.



Anyway I was wondering how hard it was to remove that oxidation with PwC.



Did it require strenuous rubbing or was the product effective?

[Scottwax]

These pics?



http://www.photohost.org/gallery/data/500/1099faded_jeep_before.jpg



http://www.photohost.org/gallery/data/500/1099faded_jeep_after.jpg



I just used a folded terry cloth towel, PwC and moderate pressure to break up and remove the surface oxidation.

[imported_NHBFAN]

Yep, that`s the one. Very impressive!



I won`t need that kind of cleaning power this weekend. I plan to use PwC and EX on a new Explorer. It`s a silver vehicle ... if it doesn`t "pop" enough with that combo I`ll top it with S100.

[GoodnClean]

I found the EX to look great on silver BTW

[blkyukon]

I use both VM and PwC and like Scott said they both are about the same in cleaning and appearance. For me, it all depends on the car on which one I`ll use. You can`t go wrong with either one, though.



I recently stripped my EX topped with CMW off my Yukon. It was still holding up great after ~4 months, but doing a lot of traveling the paint got a little beat up. I decided to use PwC topped with just CMW. That is a great combo :up It leaves a nice deep wet look, very nice.



Here is PwC & CMW:



http://users.ca.astound.net/blkyukon/1-04_02.jpg

[imported_NHBFAN]

blkyukon,



Very nice ride!



Like I said I`ve never used PwC yet and I haven`t really put VM to the test on neglected paint, but VM hasn`t given me the impression that it has much cleaning ability. VM takes considerable elbow grease to remove tiny scratches on my truck.



I wouldn`t even have considered using VM on the red vehicle Scottwax tacked ... but if y`all say VM cleans as well as PwC, I`ll have to take your word for it.

[GoodnClean]

Looks sweet, the GM trucks have such nice paint...

[Scottwax]

Originally posted by NHBFAN





I wouldn`t even have considered using VM on the red vehicle Scottwax tacked ... but if y`all say VM cleans as well as PwC, I`ll have to take your word for it.



You sure? This is one pass with Vanilla Moose (when I first got a test sample):



http://www.photohost.org/gallery/data/500/1099VanillaMoose_on_red.jpg



VM will remove oxidation. I prefer to start with Swirl Free or DACP if the oxidation is heavy, but for light to moderate oxidation, either VM or PwC will work.

[blkyukon]

IMO PwC cleans a bit more then VM without working it. I tried VM on this oxidized, waterspoted vinyl decal and worked pretty good at removing some of the problems, but PwC removed it all with no effort.





VM would have probably worked the same, but I didn`t want to apply too much pressure or work it in too much to marr the vinyl decal, knowing that it has some abrasives in it .



waterspots before:



http://users.ca.astound.net/blkyukon/cars/images/15.jpg



after:



http://users.ca.astound.net/blkyukon/cars/images/17.jpg




Looks sweet, the GM trucks have such nice paint...



They do, and very little orange peel too!

[imported_NHBFAN]

Originally posted by blkyukon

VM would have probably worked the same, but I didn`t want to apply too much pressure or work it in too much to marr the vinyl decal, knowing that it has some abrasives in it .



So are we back to the physical abrasive (VM) versus the chemical abrasive (PwC)?

[AMDin93103]

Originally posted by NHBFAN

. . . the physical abrasive (VM) versus the chemical abrasive (PwC)?



I am curious. Without revealing that I am looking for a med-light cleanser and want to try one of these two :doh . . . How do . . . the physical abrasive (VM) versus the chemical abrasive (PwC) compare?



-Stu.

[Scott P]

The physical abrasives in VM are very mild at best. It does have some chemical cleaning ability. I find VM gives a slightly wetter look due to the oils it has.