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JustinR32
09-20-2003, 10:48 PM
This product was recommended to my place of business by the American Racing Wheels rep, to protect aftermarket wheels from brake dust buildup, and from oxidation and pitting.



Autopia has been lukewarm to WW, if "search" is to be trusted as thorough. It seems to be more highly regarded elsewhere. In the past I`ve used Nu Finish and #20 on my SSR Comp wheels. The Comps are a semi-solid forged wheel, anthracite with a stainless steel rim.



WheelWax claims to be all about durability and resistance to brake dust, so I`ll have to wait a while for that part.



It`s a bit expensive, it goes on easy and comes off easy, it smells good and a little goes a long way; I did all 4 wheels with half the wax that was stuck to the top of the jar. WW has an odd consistency, like pudding.



When I was done, the wheels looked... well, like I`d just waxed them. No surprises there. They felt very smooth and slick, with a little stiction and "waxiness".



There it is. Rule #1, it`s gotta look good, and WheelWax looks good. Rule #2, it should be fun to use, and WW gives lots of sensory feedback, through smell, feel, look, etc.



I`d wager that WW is milder polish- and solvent-wise than either NF or #20. All 3 look good. #20 and Nu Finish both last a long time, and have the added advantage of doing "double duty", ie not being a special purchase for wheels. Still, a little WW goes a long, long way, and wheels are expensive and take a beating. If it holds up to that abuse, it could be a nice addition to the cabinet. I`ll let you know.





Tom

Steve @ Guru
09-21-2003, 12:24 AM
There`s one fatal flaw with Wheel Wax:



It`s carnauba based.



The heat that your wheels generate, combined with the harsh operating environment (road grime, brake dust, water immersion, etc) simply makes it impossible for any almost any carnauba based product to successfully protect a wheel for any amount of longevity.



Wheels get *hot* while driving, especially if you drive for a long period of time or push the vehicle`s performance envelope. How hot do wheels get? Here`s a pic of a temp reading from our 2002 Tahoe after a 30 mile round-trip drive:



http://members.roadfly.org/steve/tahoe_wheel.jpg



Now, from what we know about carnauba wax, it`s stable until about 180-185F. So, the temperature alone of my wheels would cause the carnauba to literally "melt" away from the wheel.



But, to make matters worse, carnauba is blended with oils, solvents and other waxes. Those other waxes (typically beeswax, paraffin and/or montan wax) all have incredibly low melting points of right around 130-135F. So, when the blended waxes heat up and melt, what happens to the rest of the wax?



Just my $0.02....Like I said, it`s a good idea, and it does look good, but as the saying goes, "If you can`t stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen." :) (maybe it should be, if you can`t take the heat, don`t try to work on wheels?) :D

Steve @ Guru
09-21-2003, 12:43 AM
Also, while I`m on the subject of temperatures and carnauba based products...Can someone explain to me how any carnauba based product can be durable in a hot climate?



I took this reading a few weeks ago. Black car, 90F ambient temperature and sunny.



http://members.roadfly.org/steve/fb_temp.jpg



We managed to find a few spots on the car where the temperature had gone over 200F...So, I just don`t get it - how can some claim that their carnauba based products last more than 90 days in this sort of environment? How? ;)

JustinR32
09-21-2003, 07:39 AM
:nixweiss



WW claims "heat-resistant sealants" along with carnuba, and in their FAQ list, they are reasonably matter of fact about its durability, only claiming that it "lasts longer", not that it is miraculous.



I`ve always reasoned the way you just did, that`s why I`ve used #20 for the last year.



OTOH, testing and sharing is fun, and sometimes observation and prediction are at odds, forcing a reevaluation of what we know.



In other words, I`ll waste ten bucks so that you won`t have to! :D LOL, I should make that my sig.



How long do you think WW will last, on a car that goes about 150 miles a week? My impression is about a month. Interestingly, WW claims increased durability with consistent use; do you think there might be a sealant/resin buildup they are relying on for that claim?



Tom

VetteToVair
09-21-2003, 09:43 AM
I tend to ignore claims that carnauba just melts off of a car. If wax truly melted off at that temp., then there should be no wax on the car by the end of day one. To me it`s that simple unless someone can provide a better explanation. Maybe high temps do decrease durability but i dont buy that the wax melts off the car.

Steve @ Guru
09-21-2003, 10:09 AM
I believe that many of the other components in a wax (certain solvents, oils and silicones, for example) remain after being "cooked," which leads people to believe that the wax is still working...



Tom-

I have Wheel Wax and have used it on several occasions, but I was extremely disappointed by how non-durable it was; after about a week I noticed *more* dust on the wheels (I can only assume that the reason for this was due to the oils, etc. that were in the wax?). :(



Also, note that I`m not taking exception to your assessment - I think you`re right on the money with the appearance thing. I just wanted to share my durability concerns and experiences with the product.

Beason
09-21-2003, 01:34 PM
Where can you get wheel wax locally?

BK1
09-21-2003, 03:44 PM
I`ve used the WW and Collinites 845 Insulator wax and prefer the Insulator Wax since it seems to hold up better over the long-term. My wheels just seem to stay cleaner longer with the 845.



Just my .02

JustinR32
09-21-2003, 06:25 PM
Yup, Steve, adding to the body of knowledge. It`ll be interesting.



Tom

bjwebster
09-21-2003, 07:09 PM
I have been testing wheel wax for about a month now. It cleans up and shines the wheels nicely. The durability has been ok for me so far. I live in a fairly cool climate and do very little long term high speed driving so it has been holding up for me pretty well. I did a 2 hour drive about a week ago, and instantly saw the dust build up much quicker. Since its so easy to apply, i havent minded re-applying it so far.

imported_phareous
09-22-2003, 08:04 PM
I use wheel wax topped with collinite insulator wax. It works great...I can wipe it right off.



I posted this before but what the heck...this shows how it comes off with just one wipe:



http://www.mlong.org/car/cleanwheel1.jpg



I used nothing but a towel to get the brake dust off:





http://www.mlong.org/car/cleanwheel2.jpg

mblgjr
05-18-2007, 11:15 PM
I just bought a tub of it today @ Advance.



Its still pudding-like; which is why I started searching. Certainly an odd consistency and after reading some of this I wish I hadn`t bought...



I`ll be trying it soon so I`ll let everyone know how it does.

violentveedub
05-18-2007, 11:24 PM
holy #%$ this thread is 4 years old!

mblgjr
05-18-2007, 11:25 PM
holy #%$ this thread is 4 years old!



Yeah; some of us are behind the times and just deciding to catch up.

Scottwax
05-18-2007, 11:28 PM
I`ve got it, I like it. Cleans the wheels nicely, decent slickness and makes the wheels easier to clean. Discount Tire also carries it.