kiwisholland
09-10-2003, 05:38 PM
Opinions on the following, please:
1) I was looking through an old CMA print catalog the other evening, reading the Blackfire sales pitch. They claim that other car care products contain high percentages of petroleum solvents that, with repeated application can dry out or dull paint.
Any truth to this? If so, which products?
I use Zaino and S100 on my garage queen and Megs three step on my daily driver truck. Will I ever see the effects of this "dulling" with these higher quality products???
2)CHECK THIS OUT:
MARKMANDO`S POST:
"heres some great advise from mike phillips (megs rep) on another post concerning what cloths to use (microfiber vs terry cloth) :
"* Thin coats, not thick coats, (Thick coats just waste product and make removal hard, this includes Meguiar`s products or anyones product).
* High Quality Terry Cloth towels. Like I said previously, it`s all about the Loop man!
* Been doing it a long time. #26 is an easy product to work with, (for me), try #16 sometime and you`ll understand what "Hard" is all about.
When to use MF and when to use Cotton?
Microfiber does a great job of removing oily films, wax, paint cleaners, compounds, polishes, cleaner/polishes glass cleaners, smudges, smears etc. It`s softer than cotton to the finish and less likely to inflict scratches.
Microfiber tends to remove too well for something’s however. Take for example Meguiar’s New line of “Liquid, Synthetic Polymer Mold Release Sealer and Mold Release”, called the Velocity Mold Release Line.
(You want to talk about synthetic waxes using “Polymers”… we got your polymers!)
I wrote all of the copy for this line and when I wrote it, the chemists were very adamant that microfiber polishing cloths ARE NOT USED to remove either the Sealer or the Release.
That is because they do too good of a job and the company/technician could possibly Stick a mold!
That’s because the microfibers tend to remove the sealer and the release from the mold surface where you`re actually trying to build-up a microscopic layer to keep the “part” from sticking to the mold.
This could be a Boat or a Shower Stall.
If it’s a 50’ Yacht… Ouch! That’s gotta hurt.
Now apply this same thinking to waxing your car’s finish. If your goal is to make it look good, then use microfiber.
If your goal is to leave behind as much “Protection” as possible, then use cotton.
(I have huge article on wiping materials and techniques I’ll publish soon if anyone is interested).
When we here at Meguiar’s test and compare waxes… We always use clean soft, 100% cotton towels to remove all products, (or even with other testing chemicals and water).
It’s the only way to insure a fair test of the products.
(you can’t test something you just wiped off the surface using microfiber, it’s no longer there/present)
Hope this helps…
__________________
Mike Phillips
Technical Training Specialist
Meguiar`s Inc."
heres the whole post:
http://www.autopia.org/forums/showt...hlight=MEGUIARS"
----ANY TRUTH TO MF REMOVING PRODUCT???
I have often thought this myself. If it is such a "wonder product" that removes smudges, bugs, etc. "without" cleaners, as is sometimes advertised, why wouldn`t it remove wax or polymers at the wipe down phase?
THANKS FOR ANY IDEAS/HELP fellas!!!
1) I was looking through an old CMA print catalog the other evening, reading the Blackfire sales pitch. They claim that other car care products contain high percentages of petroleum solvents that, with repeated application can dry out or dull paint.
Any truth to this? If so, which products?
I use Zaino and S100 on my garage queen and Megs three step on my daily driver truck. Will I ever see the effects of this "dulling" with these higher quality products???
2)CHECK THIS OUT:
MARKMANDO`S POST:
"heres some great advise from mike phillips (megs rep) on another post concerning what cloths to use (microfiber vs terry cloth) :
"* Thin coats, not thick coats, (Thick coats just waste product and make removal hard, this includes Meguiar`s products or anyones product).
* High Quality Terry Cloth towels. Like I said previously, it`s all about the Loop man!
* Been doing it a long time. #26 is an easy product to work with, (for me), try #16 sometime and you`ll understand what "Hard" is all about.
When to use MF and when to use Cotton?
Microfiber does a great job of removing oily films, wax, paint cleaners, compounds, polishes, cleaner/polishes glass cleaners, smudges, smears etc. It`s softer than cotton to the finish and less likely to inflict scratches.
Microfiber tends to remove too well for something’s however. Take for example Meguiar’s New line of “Liquid, Synthetic Polymer Mold Release Sealer and Mold Release”, called the Velocity Mold Release Line.
(You want to talk about synthetic waxes using “Polymers”… we got your polymers!)
I wrote all of the copy for this line and when I wrote it, the chemists were very adamant that microfiber polishing cloths ARE NOT USED to remove either the Sealer or the Release.
That is because they do too good of a job and the company/technician could possibly Stick a mold!
That’s because the microfibers tend to remove the sealer and the release from the mold surface where you`re actually trying to build-up a microscopic layer to keep the “part” from sticking to the mold.
This could be a Boat or a Shower Stall.
If it’s a 50’ Yacht… Ouch! That’s gotta hurt.
Now apply this same thinking to waxing your car’s finish. If your goal is to make it look good, then use microfiber.
If your goal is to leave behind as much “Protection” as possible, then use cotton.
(I have huge article on wiping materials and techniques I’ll publish soon if anyone is interested).
When we here at Meguiar’s test and compare waxes… We always use clean soft, 100% cotton towels to remove all products, (or even with other testing chemicals and water).
It’s the only way to insure a fair test of the products.
(you can’t test something you just wiped off the surface using microfiber, it’s no longer there/present)
Hope this helps…
__________________
Mike Phillips
Technical Training Specialist
Meguiar`s Inc."
heres the whole post:
http://www.autopia.org/forums/showt...hlight=MEGUIARS"
----ANY TRUTH TO MF REMOVING PRODUCT???
I have often thought this myself. If it is such a "wonder product" that removes smudges, bugs, etc. "without" cleaners, as is sometimes advertised, why wouldn`t it remove wax or polymers at the wipe down phase?
THANKS FOR ANY IDEAS/HELP fellas!!!