View Full Version : Glazes between Layers of Carnauba??
Green Monster
05-07-2003, 07:52 AM
Do you guys/gals really think that either GECP or #7 will totally remove the layer of Carnauba wax under it?
I used to layer #26/#7/#26 over #20 all the time thinking it was doing great.
Now I am looking to layer P21S/GEPC/P21S/GECP/P21S over my 2xAIO/3xSG for the ulimate deep wet look.
I have used #7 before I believe it does not have much cutting power and from what I have heard GEPC is about the same but easier to work with.
My Ranger is Dark Green and in "polish perfect condition" see My Gallery (http://www.autopia.org/gallery/showgallery.php?ppuser=1726&cat=500&thumb=1) .
Spilchy
05-07-2003, 08:37 AM
I think the GEPC would remove the P21s, AIO and SG. No? I mean it IS a polish that removes old wax (as gentle as it is).
If you`re surface is in good shape (I`m sure it is!) then start with the GEPC as a nice surface prep then lay down layers of AIO, SG and P21s.
This way you`ll save product, time and money.
The #7 is a glaze with minimal cleaning properties (I believe) so I don`t think it would strip the wax too much. But I would lay down the #7 first then do the #26.
Again, just my $.02 worth. We all have our strategies.
imported_memnuts
05-07-2003, 08:58 AM
If you want to add a little depth and fill some minor surface marring with minimal cleansing between coats of carnuaba I believe Mother`s Sealer and Glaze would meet your needs. A lot easier to use than Meg#7 and does a nice job. Easy on easy off without streaking or oily feel to finish. :wavey
My personal view is that you can`t "sandwich" glaze between wax layers and that the solvents in glazes play havoc with "waxes" in general, but haven`t proven it one way or another (with carnauba anyway).
That`s my $0.02.....
Jngrbrdman
05-07-2003, 12:42 PM
You can`t layer GEPC over wax. Everytime you use it all you are doing is stripping off the wax. That wouldn`t be very smart. You can`t layer AIO either. Just do one layer of AIO and you can skip the GEPC. 3 layers of SG is a good plan and then go nuts topping it with carnauba. I learned awhile back that I don`t need to use every product on my shelf when I detail. There is a time for glazes and a time for sealants. Not all products necessarily work well together.
bcwang
05-07-2003, 12:50 PM
If I remember correctly, mothers sealer and glaze says it can be applied on top of previous coats of wax. I`m not sure if that means it will strip off the wax so it can bond or if it will form a coat on top of the wax.
Green Monster
05-07-2003, 12:59 PM
The truck has on it now 2xAIO, 3xSG, and 2xP21S.
I was just looking to try something to see if I could get it to shine and look wetter even more than it is now. I know its crazy but it very additive. :D
imported_memnuts
05-07-2003, 04:30 PM
Originally posted by Green Monster
The truck has on it now 2xAIO, 3xSG, and 2xP21S.
I was just looking to try something to see if I could get it to shine and look wetter even more than it is now. I know its crazy but it very additive. :D
One of the important items about detailing I have learned here is the gloss enhancement is highly skewed towards the prep. At the present time I work the finish ( high- medium-light cut polishes, and SMR. If work the finish until realistically as perfect and glossy as I like and can achieve. I continue with a glaze , which in most cases increases gloss. What I look for in my protectant is to maintain this appearance and add a little depth and wetness. Using this technique I believe that I can make Zaino appear more carnuaba-like and less "plastic" on black if I ever tried it again.
What I am trying to say is that you may be chasing your tail trying to make the finish glossier beyond your present substrate`s ( prep finish) maximum. Try bumping up the gloss prior to the AIO with a light polish ( Perfect-It-II Light Cut) than SMR.
Green Monster, there is nothing wrong with raising your personal bar. I do it all the time.:xyxthumbs
Nick T.
05-07-2003, 04:55 PM
Originally posted by blkZ28Conv
At the present time I work the finish ( high- medium-light cut polishes, and SMR. If work the finish until realistically as perfect and glossy as I like and can achieve. There seems to be an underlying thread of confusion on Autopia and other detailing boards about the relative aggressiveness of the available polishes. Since you have a critical eye and do so much experimenting Edwin, it would be informative and interesting if you would post a listing of how you rate the aggressiveness of the polishes that you’ve tried.
<center>You be da man! <IMG SRC=http://home.jps.net/~ntaylor/images/bowdown2.gif></center>
PerfectionDetailing
05-07-2003, 05:07 PM
I put #7 over 3 coats of Klasse and then topped off with S100 and this is what I got.
http://www.uvm.edu/~ckrikos/car/Boxster_s100.jpg
http://www.uvm.edu/~ckrikos/car/S100.jpg
http://www.uvm.edu/~ckrikos/car/Boxster_script.jpg
imported_memnuts
05-07-2003, 05:44 PM
Hi Nick,
My experience with machine polishes is limited to the 3M line.
When I refer to "light" I am using their Perfect-It II Rubbing Compd Fine Cut (39002), Heavy Cut is the Super Duty Rubbing Compd (39004) and I use their Finish Restorer as a Medium agent. This is followed by their new SMR Prefect-It-III (05937) which has mild cut power for swirl elimination rather than filling. I feel comfortable with these products. As you know Nick that the working of the product with varying pressure is the trick and alot of courage. Heavy Cut will scare the heck of of you -- "hazy city". ;)
It would be nice if there were a progressive abrasion chart incorporating all product lines that would set-up a map to that perfect gloss. This may be next winter`s project... Try some of the newer polishing systems and try to intergrate them with may experience with 3M.
Lapis 986 - Looking good!!! :xyxthumbs
PerfectionDetailing
05-07-2003, 07:17 PM
Sorry guys I couldnt hold off not posthing the pics. I did not currently apply klasse before the #7. It was just on and I figured what the hell. All I have to say is that I missed the look carnubas gave being an exclusive klasse user. I will probably be sticking to s100 or pinnacle for the summer and going back to the longer lasting stuff over the winter.
rstype
05-07-2003, 08:00 PM
Brian (4DSC) found out that MOTHER`s Sealer/Glaze strips Klasse, so it`s likely that #7 will do the same ¡V it¡Â¦s all in the solvents. So what you have on your 986 are #7 and S100¡K it¡Â¦s a good combo!
:up
Nick T.
05-07-2003, 11:09 PM
Originally posted by blkZ28Conv
When I refer to "light" I am using their Perfect-It II Rubbing Compd Fine Cut (39002), Heavy Cut is the Super Duty Rubbing Compd (39004) and I use their Finish Restorer as a Medium agent. This is followed by their new SMR Prefect-It-III (05937) which has mild cut power for swirl elimination rather than filling. Thanks for the info! I haven’t heard of 3M’s Finish Restorer - would you please tell us more about it? Or were you refering to the P21S/S100 product?
For those of you who are interested in 3M’s SMR replacement, Perfect-It III Machine Glaze (05937), that’s the quart size. The number for the 16 oz bottle is 39012.