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ihetenyi
08-30-2001, 01:59 PM
Yesterday, I had the opportunity to visit with Ron K at the Valugard offices located in Cincinnati and I learned some interesting things about my 4 month old VW Jetta. My hope is that by reading this, a new car buyer or fellow newbie detailer might avoid issues I currently have.



A little background before I start rambling. I really started to follow this site about a month after having purchased my car. I dove right in and purchased the Klasse twins, Blitz, a bunch of MF towels, applicators, QD’s, 303 and all sorts of other fun stuff I read about on this site looking to get a stunning shine. I applied the products with care and detail and did get some great visual results BUT at the time I didn’t really understand/appreciate the importance of paint preparation and review.



As I read and learned more, I began studying my paint surfaces very closely under different variables and began to notice a prevalent issue across all of my horizontal body panels. I then stripped part of my trunk of all the wax, polymers, and other fillers and realized there was serious etching in the clear coat. The etching looked like small drops of acid had ‘splattered’ across my car. Immediately I’m thinking WHY DIDN”T I SEE THIS BEFORE I BOUGHT THE CAR???? I’m not sure exactly why, but I do know that at the time I wasn’t looking very closely at the finish (uneducated buyer) and the dealer probably had some type of filler/wax on the finish.



At this point, I went for professional advice. I’m lucky in that Ron’s business is only a few miles from where I live. After Ron reviewed a stripped portion of the paint under multiple lighting conditions and magnification, it was surmised that the damage was most likely caused by pollutants having settled on the new paint prior to the car being wrapped for shipment (Perhaps it was a dreaded Friday car…). The car was then wrapped, shipped to my dealer, unwrapped, washed with good ol water and parked out on the lot under the spring sunshine. The water and heat combined with the untreated pollutants and resulted in a caustic mixture that etched the clear.



So, I now know that I have a car that would need to be professionally cut to restore a more acceptable finish and its most likely been this way since the day I brought it home. For anyone that’s bothered to read all of this, here am what I’m getting at:



Learn about car paint. Learn about the issues your paint faces, how to identify those issues and how to determine proper methods of resolution. Don’t get caught up in BUYING every newest, latest, and greatest product that hits the market if you haven’t taken the time to understand the condition of your finish and treat problems at the root. I was caught up in trying to figure out what the coolest products were for my car when I really didn’t have a clue what was actually going on or how to diagnose a real problem. Unfortunately, my problem was likely there before I received the car but had I been more educated and focused I might not have bought the car at all or I might have been able to treat the problem early on to minimize damages.



Sorry about the long vent. Many thanks to Ron and his staff for taking time out of their day to give a fellow Autopian a hand. On a positive note, I do have a ton of samples of Valugard products to try out and review!



Steve

MidLife Cruiser
08-30-2001, 02:30 PM
You are so right. We all have heard that, regardless of products, preparation is most important. We are lucky that Ron has a website that gives us some information about paint and paint problems and you are lucky that you live so close to his business. I like to see the pictures as much as anyone, but the kind of information you shared with us is powerful stuff. Thanks for sharing.:)

KR CoolShine
08-30-2001, 02:32 PM
:cool:



Thinking that I need to mosey on over to Valuguard some time next month just to chew the fat.



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YoSteve
08-30-2001, 02:57 PM
Is this typical of many new cars. Is it color biased or car manufacturer biased? Has anyone used it towards bargaining on a car (has any one gone to a dealer with a magnifying glass and flashlight)?



How long did it take you to notice, or did it take Ron and Co. for you to notice? I wash and inspect my car one panel at time should I look even closer than I do? I have a picture of my car and pencil in the current scratches and marks to keep track (I know, anal city, but good tip when taking car in to have scratches and chips worked on)



Hope you detailing adventure turns out for the better? (minus the clearcoat, hey, at least your car rocks)

ihetenyi
08-30-2001, 03:16 PM
Trust me - I still have and will continue to have a blast taking care of my car. Ron could probably speak to the make/manufacture question as he seemed fairly familiar with the plant that produced my jettal. I noticed the marks myself when I really started paying attention under alternate lightning conditions. It wasn`t that it took a while for the marks to develop, rather it took me a while to learn to look that close. The final kicker was when I bought the 30x lighted magnifying glass and got an upclose look... I then knew I had a problem and went to Ron to try and get an idea of what it was and if there was anything I could do.



Next time I buy a car I will probably bring the lighted magnifying glass. I might also ask them to spray a little window cleaner on a small portion of the paint to remove their fillers. It won`t be a point of negotiation either... If I don`t like the paint its not coming home no matter the price break.



MichaelB - I`d probably learn more than my poor brain could absorb listening to both you and the valugard guys talkin`... what neck of the woods do you run around in? I`m pretty new to this area... :)



Steve

boywonder
08-30-2001, 03:40 PM
This is a very good point. When I replace the Maxima, I might be looking for a lighted 30x magnifying glass. :D

KR CoolShine
08-30-2001, 04:27 PM
Wolf,



Naw, I am just new at this too. I do tend to jump into things with both feet -- and all my limited attention span. So, I have learned a whole lot in a rather short time -- mostly from paying attention to the guys here.



I work and spend most of my time downtown.

JasonC8301
08-30-2001, 05:56 PM
for the write up, I`ll have to inspect my car when I buy it, I`ll be there with a 30X magnifier, and a maglite to inspect!



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