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Alan

11-04-2001, 02:11 PM

Car is 10 months old, black paint looks scratchy..

I have always used Zaino products. Once I have tried 3M to compare, and went back to Zaino. But now my car has all these fine scratches that really show in the direct sun or under florecent lights. It looks terrible. What can I do to fix this? I have tried 3m swirl remover (makes it worse), zaino seems to fix it. Mequires I have used there red bottles steps, still no go. I am sick of seeing these, its not bad, but its irritating to see. Any ideas would be helpful!!

Black car..

2001 Maxima SE. Thanks.

dengelson

11-04-2001, 02:48 PM

Here`s my 2 cents. First off let me say that perfection is nearly impossible to obtain with a black car. Little flaws are particularly glaring under flourescent lights.

3M SMR helped me out. I finished over it with a pure polish with no abrasives. After that I applied multiple coats of paste wax. From what I understand the wax helps to round off the corners of the light sratches so that light won`t refract as badly from the scratches.

My black car still isn`t perfect but the combination of polishes and multiple coats of paste wax has helped out considerably. Next I`m going to try a PC I`ve read here that these really help the polish to do its job better.

vettefan67

11-04-2001, 03:03 PM

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Originally posted by Short Cut [/i]
...3M SMR helped me out. I finished over it with a pure polish with no abrasives...[/b]</blockquote>
What do you mean by this? I take the term polish to mean an abrasive product that removes imperfections by creating even smaller imperfections. It sounds to me like you used a glaze? Just curious because I too have a black car..

YoSteve

11-04-2001, 03:11 PM

AIO is a "chemical abrasive", it has no physical abrasives in it. It does clean as an abrasive, just chemically.

IMO, I think even non abrasives can be abrasive by applicator.

You can kick AIO up a notch if you use a MF applicator and really work it in, thus increasing it`s abrasivity (haha new word!)

If you notice that you use AIO a few times the paint becomes smoother and slicker, that`s the polishing/depositing part going on.

:)

Alan

11-04-2001, 03:15 PM

Thanks for the welcome. I have been fighting these scratches for a while and can`t figure out how to get rid of them. I used the 3M SMR and it was hard to get off, but it left more marks than anything removing. I used mequires gold class over it to help remove it, and it did, but it also showed fine swirls still!!

<blockquote class=`ipsBlockquote` >

Originally posted by Short Cut [/i]
Here`s my 2 cents. First off let me say that perfection is nearly impossible to obtain with a black car. Little flaws are particularly glaring under flourescent lights.

3M SMR helped me out. I finished over it with a pure polish with no abrasives. After that I applied multiple coats of paste wax. From what I understand the wax helps to round off the corners of the light sratches so that light won`t refract as badly from the scratches.

My black car still isn`t perfect but the combination of polishes and multiple coats of paste wax has helped out considerably. Next I`m going to try a PC I`ve read here that these really help the polish to do its job better. [/b]</blockquote>

dengelson

11-04-2001, 04:36 PM

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Originally posted by puterbum [/i]


I take the term polish to mean an abrasive product that removes imperfections by creating even smaller imperfections. It sounds to me like you used a glaze? Just curious because I too have a black car.. [/b]</blockquote>
Yes it was a glaze which some manufacturers like Meguiars also call a polish. I think that they call anything with abrasives a compound. I only used the glaze over the SMR on the hood. Everywhere else I just waxed over the SMR. I think it made a slight difference.

BillNorth

11-04-2001, 05:10 PM

Russ, you say the 3M SMR makes it worse. What I infer from this is these fine scratches you are seeing is the haze left by the abrasive polishes(SMR included) you are using. Have you tried using multiple coats of Z5? It should fill in the fine lines you are seeing. I know some other zaino users with hazing issues have used Z5 to successfully remove the "fine scratches" you are seeing.

ALM

11-04-2001, 05:41 PM

Perfection on a black car is diffucult to acheive, and hard to maintain. If 3M SMR isn`t removing the swirl marks you may want to try Finesse-it, and use Pinnacle Paintwork Cleansing Lotion to help remove the haze that the 3M causes. Afterwards follow up with your Zaino routine. Its all in the surface prep, if you want your 10 month old car looking good in 10 years, make sure you take time and care to prepare your surface, you`ll be thankful you did.

Alan

11-04-2001, 05:58 PM

<blockquote class=`ipsBlockquote` >

Originally posted by BillNorth [/i]
Russ, you say the 3M SMR makes it worse. What I infer from this is these fine scratches you are seeing is the haze left by the abrasive polishes(SMR included) you are using. Have you tried using multiple coats of Z5? It should fill in the fine lines you are seeing. I know some other zaino users with hazing issues have used Z5 to successfully remove the "fine scratches" you are seeing. [/b]</blockquote>
I just got done doing half my car, meaning the hood, front fenders and bumper, it looks good again, but with florecent light, I can see the fine scratches in the paint, not easily but you see them. If I ever plan on putting the car into a car show, i don`t want those to show up under lights. Anyways, dunno what else to do.

Alan

11-04-2001, 05:58 PM

<blockquote class=`ipsBlockquote` >

Originally posted by Steve9185 [/i]
Perfection on a black car is diffucult to acheive, and hard to maintain. If 3M SMR isn`t removing the swirl marks you may want to try Finesse-it, and use Pinnacle Paintwork Cleansing Lotion to help remove the haze that the 3M causes. Afterwards follow up with your Zaino routine. Its all in the surface prep, if you want your 10 month old car looking good in 10 years, make sure you take time and care to prepare your surface, you`ll be thankful you did. [/b]</blockquote>
Where can I buy these products that you recommend?

BillNorth

11-04-2001, 08:51 PM

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Originally posted by RussMaxManiac [/i]


Where can I buy these products that you recommend? [/b]</blockquote>
Russ,

The sponsor of this site sells the products steve mentioned. The url is http://www.properautocare.com (`http://www.properautocare.com`)

If you live outside the USA then go to http://www.tacscar.com (`http://www.tacscar.com`)

ALM

11-04-2001, 08:54 PM

You can also try www.carcareonline.com for the 3M products. Pinnacle you can get from properautocare.com, and tacscar.com.

Alan

11-04-2001, 08:59 PM

JasonC8301

11-04-2001, 09:09 PM

3M Finesse It II Finishing Material is the full name of 3M Finesse It. Its PN # is 39003.

Its should be available at www.carcareonline.com

If there is a NAPA around you, look there, if you don`t see it, ask a sales person, they can get it in quickly.

Jason

DETAILKING

11-05-2001, 10:14 AM

What kind of towels are you using? Was the car perfect before you started zainoing?

The swirls are probably due to improper washing techniques or using substandard towels. The swirls could be in the polish layer.....

If the car is not really clean I would clay it, if it is really clean, apply a z1/Z5 layer and then an additional Z5 layer and see what happens. If this does not help, then use 3M SMR to remove the deeper swirls. This might leave a haze or micro marring on your paint. Use some paint cleansing lotion after that to reduce the marring even further, dawn wash, and then follow up with a few coats of Z5. Good luck. Black is tough!