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msmcdon
08-17-2001, 10:21 AM
The engine on my 1994 Ranger is dusty and dirty from daily use and I`d like to get it clean! I think it is beyond the point of a hand-bottle and towel cleaning so what should I do? I know I`ve got a small oil leak somewhere that I`d like to clean so I can find the source.



I have considered using one of those pressure washing engine cleaning solutions at the do-it-yourself washing booths, but will that damage anything? I know I need to stay away/cover the computer and other delicate areas.



Any recommendations from the board?

rmccall6
08-17-2001, 12:47 PM
i would put a plastic bag secured with a rubber band around electronic parts you see.

DETAILKING
08-17-2001, 01:04 PM
use simple green.....spray on....wipe with a sponge, and use a gentle spray from a hose to wash off the dirt.

Lowejackson
08-17-2001, 01:06 PM
It seems that the previous owner of my car liked to use a pressure washer, it also seems he did not coverup the electrical stuff. The result is lots of strange electrical problems caused by corroded wires.



So make very sure the water does not go near electrical stuff (dont forget the fuel injector connections).



Steven

Alfa Romeo 164

Autoglym and Blitz

ALM
08-17-2001, 08:45 PM
Id shy away from the pressure washer, cuz it would probably be safer and more effective if you just used an engine cleaner such as EF Hi-intesity or EF Citrus engine cleaner and a hose with no nozzel on it. The degreaser will cut the dirt, not the hose. If the dirt is not removed after the cleaner then your either going to have to repeat or scrub it.



Make sure you cover the electronic components!!

rstype
08-17-2001, 11:37 PM
You may want to pressure wash your engine if it`s extremely filthy, but wrap plastic baggies around the distributor and electrical components.

A safer way is Steve`s method, and the saf<strong class=`bbc`>est[/b] method is Brad`s way: Cleaning each part slowly and carefully, with wonder juice (Brake parts cleaner)

Check out this thread: http://autopia-carport.com/forum/showthread.php3?threadid=2419 (`http://autopia-carport.com/forum/showthread.php3?threadid=2419`)

Enjoy the therapy!

Bobby G
08-17-2001, 11:43 PM
I`m not a fan of pressure washing or steam cleaning engines. There are too many problems that can crop up.



I think regular light washings are the best cure. If you`re engine is really dirty, start with a good cleaner. Avoid petrol solvents. When you`re finished, treat the rubber and plastic parts with a good helping of rubber/vinyl dressing.



db

imported_User Name
11-11-2009, 11:14 AM
So, I have been experimenting a bit with ONR and my first run through (months ago) did not go so well, so I have been doing a bit of experimenting and I seemed to find a method that has worked well for me.

First off, a bit of a caveat. FOR ME, ONR does not and will not EVER replace a traditional two bucket wash. I do not like it as much and don`t think I ever will, HOWEVER, I do see value in ONR for winter washing and for those who are under water restrictions. So, here are some of my thoughts...

I use two buckets when using ONR and two different washing tools, a traditional lambswool mit and a grout sponge (for wheels, tires, wells etc...).

In my two buckets, I use 2oz of ONR for every gallon (although some use 1oz per gallon - I have found 2oz is better for me). I also put some ONR in my rinse bucket and find this makes my wash MUCH better.

Starting at the top of your car is a REAL must using ONR because inevitably some water will drip down on lower areas of the car which you can easily clean when you hit that area was you cover the entire car.

The most interesting aspect of using ONR is the amount of dirt that you get on your wash mit. Your typical lambswool mit goes from light to dark after a few passes. It is said by the manufacturer that this is how ONR works. It picks up the dirt from the car and rinses it off in your rinse bucket. When examining my drying towel after drying a "cleaned" panel, it remained clean, so the ONR seemed to be doing its job.

The one area I can`t seem to get clean using ONR are my wheel barrels (drums). I`ve used ONR and an assortment of brushes, like my EZ detail brush, but they just don`t seem to get as clean as when I use a traditional wash.

*I should also mention that before I undertook this wash, I rinsed my car with high pressure rinse at the local coin wash, removing any heavy debris on the car.*

When I was done, I had an opportunity to look at and feel the car. I was very happy with the outcome. The car looked great and I could not see any new or recently induced swirls or scratchs. I used a total of about 8 gallons of water for the entire wash, which took me about 40 minutes.

Although I do not prefer ONR over a traditional two bucket wash, I am recommending it for winter washing or those under water restrictions. I believe this is an effective product for those under those types of conditions.

imported_mobenzowner
11-11-2009, 11:46 AM
I also use it almost exclusively during winter. Sometimes in spring/summer/fall if it`s raining outside I will do an onr wash in the garage knowing I dont need to drive the car till the rain quits and roads dry off.

imported_akimel
11-11-2009, 11:48 AM
For those who are considering trying ONR for the first time, you may find this article orignally posted at the Optimum forum helpful:




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ONR Dilutions (Per Label):
Wash solution: 1oz per 2 gallons
Clay lube: 2oz per gallon
Quick detailer: 8oz per gallon (updated from 6oz on old labels)

ONR Directions (Per Label):
1. Add 1oz to 2 gallons of water in a wash bucket
2. Soak wash media in solution and wash vehicle in sections
3. Dry each section two clean towels consecutively

Alternate Method w/Presoak (Thanks SUPERBEE364 and EXCELDETAIL)
1. Spray down each panel with QD strength ONR. (pump type garden sprayer)
2. Wipe each panel down gently with a dripping wet MF from the ONR bucket.
3. Rinse and squeeze out the MF, get it dripping wet again, and redo the same panel.
4. Dry the panel with a clean MF followed by a second MF
(Sup prefers to use distilled water exclusively, too.)

No Rinse Guide With Pics by:Excel Detail

FAQs (Thanks Dr. G, BENCE & ANTHONY O.):

1. Why does it feel slimy and not foam?: ONR should feel somewhat slimy, as this provides lubrication/encapsulation which carries away the unwanted dirt particles from the surface. This is a good slime.

2. Why is my wash media so much dirtier than when I do a traditional wash?: ONR binds the dirt to the wash media intentionally. You should change mitts as needed. They can then be soaked in regular detergent to release the dirt before rinsing or washed in the machine.

3. What are the environmental advantages?: Much less water is used by eliminating the rinsing step, not to mention on average only 2 gallons are used to wash vs. 6-10 gallons with the two bucket method (not including rinsing). Also, with a regular wash the mitt will release the dirt into the (usually 5 gallon X 2) rinse bucket, it would likely end in the storm drains when you dumped the buckets. With the ONR wash you can wash your mitts in your machine and dump the remainder of the 2 gallons of solution into the sink or toilet where the dirt goes to the right place where water can be treated/purified. Optimum Products also come packaged in HDPE bottles (which are one of the few widely recyclable plastics)

4. Should I still use the two-bucket method to prevent marring?: ONR softens water, so the bigger particles just sink to the bottom of the bucket. It?s like having a built-in grit guard in the wash solution. Smaller particles end up in the wash media.

5. Is there any advantage to using DI/distilled water to make the solution?: Softer water cooperates well with ONR. ONR`s actives bond to the minerals of hard waters, therefore you may add more ONR to harder waters. DI/distilled water have no such minerals and the cleaning/protecting power of ONR can be exploited without weakening. These kind of waters will feel slimier than tap water.

6. My ONR Clay lube lost its color, will it still do the job or is it ruined?: ONR may lose its color when the sun hits it directly, but this won`t affect its performance.

7. My car is really dirty, should I use more of the concentrate?: Using significantly more than the recommended dosage won`t multiply ONR`s performance; it will work effectively with the recommended amounts. You can still fine-tune the dosage to your exact needs (soiling of the vehicle, water hardness, wash media type, etc.).

(1 oz per gallon vs 1 oz per 2 gallons)
Thank you for bringing up this question. The polymers in No Rinse have reactive groups that bond and trap dirt particles making the dirt particles virtually non-abrasive. They also bond to oily particles and emulsify them into water. The latter is equivalent to the cleaning action from soaps which also work by emulsifying oil particles into water. However, with soap there is no interaction with dirt. This is why adding No Rinse to a regular wash also helps protect the paint from dirt particles.

The No Rinse polymers also bond to all automotive surfaces and create a slick surface and act as a barrier to protect paint from marring. That is something that soap will not provide since surfactants in soaps have no affinity for painted or other automotive surfaces.

When you use 1 oz. of No Rinse in 1 or 2 gallons of water for your wash at the molecular level this provides hundreds of billions of polymer molecules to do what was said above. Additional product will not be necessary except if you are using tap water that contains high levels of minerals such as calcium hydroxide or silicates. In these cases some of the polymers will bond to these minerals and take them out of solution therefore more product might be necessary to compensate for this effect. This is another reason why adding No Rinse to a regular car wash soap improves the results when using tap water.

For claying, the recommended level is 2 oz. per gallon, however, the actual product usage is far less. For instance if you are using 16 oz. of clay lube to clay a car, at this dilution you are actually putting 1/4 oz. of No Rinse on the surface. Same thing goes for using No Rinse as a quick detailer.

These levels were of course tested for several months and hundreds of washes of heavily soiled cars before we started offering No Rinse three years ago. I hope this helps answer your question. Please let me know if I can be of further assistance. Thanks again.

Dr. G (copied from Optimum Forums Ask Dr. G section)

8. Can ONR be used to clean windows and interiors? Yes, ONR can be used for an interior and exterior glass cleaner. It can be used at the regular QD mix.....a bit stronger if you`re doing nasty windows and a bit less if doing more regular upkeep type cars.

If you notice streaks and smears then you need to cut it back with water.

ONR Technique (Thanks SCOTTWAX):
Body: YouTube - Washing a Cayenne with ONR

Wheels: YouTube - Optimum No Rinse and wheels part 1
YouTube - Optimum No Rinse and wheels part 2



Engine: http://www.autopia.org/forum/car-detailing...ine-detail.html

Claying: YouTube - Claying with Optimum No Rinse

Touch-ups: YouTube - ONR vs bird bomb

Fenderwells:YouTube - Fenderwell cleaning with Optimum No Rinse Wash

ONR Wash Media Threads:
http://www.autopia.org/forum/car-detailing...do-you-use.html

http://www.autopia.org/forum/car-detailing...e-onr-mitt.html

http://www.autopia.org/forum/car-detailing...-onr-media.html

http://www.autopia.org/forum/car-detailing...-onr-media.html
ONR Capabilities Threads:
http://www.autopia.org/forum/click-brag/10...hed-limits.html

http://www.autopia.org/forum/click-brag/10...onr-thread.html

http://www.autopia.org/forum/car-detailing...-silverado.html

http://www.autopia.org/forum/car-detailing...e-onr-pics.html

http://www.autopia.org/forum/click-brag/100839-onr-time.html

http://www.autopia.org/forum/car-detailing...s-stunning.html

http://www.autopia.org/forum/car-detailing...timony-onr.html

http://www.autopia.org/forum/car-detailing...ics-inside.html

imported_Luster
11-11-2009, 01:39 PM
I`m absolutely with you on ONR for winter washing. The nicest part of that is the use of WARM water... Nothing is more miserable than trying to hand wash a car with cold water when the temps are 30-40 degrees!!!

On the occasional winter days when the temps venture into the 60`s here in KC, I`ll do a two-bucket traditional wash.

Generally for winter washing - ONR with warm water (not hot).:biggrin:

imported_glfahlc
11-11-2009, 04:01 PM
i`ve used it a couple times, once on my truck and once on the wifes volvo and was quite impressed with the results. although i didn`t have my solution feeling slimy. maybe next time i`ll add a bit more onr as my city water is pretty hard and see if that keeps my mf towels from getting so dirty.. thanks

imported_Luster
11-11-2009, 07:54 PM
i`ve used it a couple times, once on my truck and once on the wifes volvo and was quite impressed with the results. although i didn`t have my solution feeling slimy. maybe next time i`ll add a bit more onr as my city water is pretty hard and see if that keeps my mf towels from getting so dirty.. thanks

I have hard water also, but I don`t really need to add more ONR. No water spots that I can "spot"!:biggrin:

imported_akimel
11-11-2009, 08:09 PM
We have hard water here in Roanoke County. I use 1 oz of ONR per gallon. I have not had any problems with water spots. This is a huge benefit to using ONR.

Given what I have read about the product, I do not see any advantage to using more than 1 oz of ONR per gallon. I probably could get away with using less (Scottwax, e.g., uses 1/2 oz per gallon), but given the problems I`ve had with water spots, I`m not taking any chances.

imported_glfahlc
11-11-2009, 09:29 PM
i just checked out quite a few vids on you tube using onr and it looked like the two bucket method worked even better. i remedied my water spot problems with a de-ionizer for griots.