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tom p.
03-28-2001, 08:23 AM
Can any frequent users of Pinnacle Souveran and One Grand Blitz wax offer their thoughts on the life span of these two fine products.



I have never used Souveran but am a frequent Blitz-er. I don`t want to lay out the $$ for Souveran if it washes away in the first rain or snow storm.



thanks.

DETAILKING
03-28-2001, 09:24 AM
stick with blitz.

DETAILKING
03-28-2001, 09:25 AM
Seems like you are unhappy with carnuba durability. Have you tried any of the synthetics? What kind of car? Color?

tom p.
03-28-2001, 09:38 AM
Detailking, no, I am not unhappy with the caruaba-based products. I have a silver VW and maybe am looking for more shine (more dramatic) but perhaps will never find it for silver paint. The car is virtually new, never has been in the rain/snow and has 4k miles on it. The car looks very good, just not spectacular.



I have used Blitz and recently have applied several layers of P21S carnuaba. I have plenty of polymer based products in the basement but prefer to stick with the carnuaba since I like the results. I am always looking for that product that can provide better results on silver.



The Souveran seems to have a strong consensus behind it when price is not a consideration. That is the only reason I posted this question. I don`t want to try Souveran if it has a short lifespan.

Brad B
03-28-2001, 09:54 AM
Sovereign is NOT the way to go for silver. Past Glaz is the ticket! (Made for light colors) I top my Klasse Sealant with Paste Glaz on my Porsche. It has more pop than Blitz. It does not last near as long as Blitz, though. That`s the downside. The upside is the application process. PPG is applied and immediately buffed off. Just like you would do with quick detailer. It takes me about 15 minutes to do the whole top of the car. Very slick and intense results!

I use Klasse Sealant on my silver Audi topped with Blitz. This is more durable with a little less pop. (But not much)

http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=1347657&a=10032891&p=41291819 (`http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=1347657&a=10032891&p=41291819`)

DETAILKING
03-28-2001, 09:58 AM
Souveran will have a shorter lifespan than blitz. What polymer systems have you tried? Silver is a tough color...especially in the sun. My silver car (and pretty much all silver cars) looks best on cloudy days, or just before sunset. The shine really comes out. In the sun, it looks bright and metallic. It is the properties of the color. The silver paint the JETTA uses is a VERY bright shade. I have seen some that look very nice. I found the trick with silver is to use a product that layers, so that reflectivity and depth can be built up over time. Until I found this solution, I was non-motivated to even wax my silver car because I would spend a few hours every few weekends and it did not look impressive at all, especially when I parked next to a black car. Well, best of luck and I hope you find the results you are looking for.

Bobby G
03-28-2001, 10:05 AM
Brad`s right. There`s no reason to spend the money for Souveran to use on a silver car. PPG does the same job for a lot less. Best of all, it`s fast and effortless. Blitz is a wonderful wax, and it lasts a good long time for a Carnauba product. I just find it to be a lot of work compared to Pinnacle. I don`t mind using PPG or Souveran after every 3rd or 4th wash, because it is so darn easy.

http://store1.yimg.com/I/autopia_1627_4361378 (`http://store1.yimg.com/I/autopia_1627_4361378`)

Sorry, Brad... I just had to do it!!! :-)

DETAILKING
03-28-2001, 10:05 AM
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=1575126&a=11974151&p=45033844 (`http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=1575126&a=11974151&p=45033844`)

DETAILKING
03-28-2001, 10:11 AM
I really need to get my hands on a digital camera. Nice pics!

tom p.
03-28-2001, 11:32 AM
Hey, thanks for all the feedback. I guess I should have asked this question a long time ago. It would have lead to less personal disappointment in my silver paint!

I will give the PPG a try. I would never have considered it otherwise.

That`s what I love about this forumhttp://cwmonkey.virtualave.net/s/net6/laugh2.gif...tons of practical tips and personal experiences!

gmblack3
03-28-2001, 11:41 AM
What does PPG stand for?

tom p.
03-28-2001, 12:16 PM
Good question and sorry about the use of initials.

I thought it was the company Pittsburgh Paint & Glass (or whatever) when I saw it in Brad`s replyhttp://cwmonkey.virtualave.net/s/net8/thumb.gif.

It really is "<strong class=`bbc`>Pinnacle Paste Glaz[/b]."


link (`http://www.properautocare.com/pin-311.html`).


pic`]http://store4.yimg.com/I/classic-motoring_1625_1232250]pic (`http://store4.yimg.com/I/classic-motoring_1625_1232250) WOW, I finally got a picture to work. Now I am feeling good!

gmblack3
03-28-2001, 12:41 PM
Great, I was also thinking Pittsburgh Paint.



Thanks

Don2000g
04-01-2001, 02:09 PM
David B. and Brad are right in recommending Pinnacle Paste Glaze. It will give you a little bit more shine than Blitz. However, I would bet my life that Souveran gives a bit more so, even on silver. I have a silver-grey car and the Souveran simply does what no other carnauba for me has done. Great stuff.

tom p.
04-01-2001, 02:18 PM
Don, thanks for your reply. Those guys had me convinced that the Paste Glaz was the <em class=`bbc`>only[/i] product to consider so that`s what I ordered. I`ll give it a try. Sooner or later I`m sure I will order some Souveran for one of the other cars.