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The Driver
02-18-2016, 12:51 PM
I personally being a tech guy, know Apple is right on this subject. As liberal as Apple usually is for once they took a stand against the leftist argument to erode away more rights and privacy. I understand San Bernadino was awful but from a tech point of view and a pro rights to privacy this is chilling. I`m glad tech companies are standing up to the lefts baseless emotional arguments with cold hard facts.

As tech person, the fbi asking for a backdoor program is very bad. It would mean the patriot act now has access to your phone and all your communications.

Discuss


February 16, 2016A Message to Our CustomersThe United States government has demanded that Apple take an unprecedented step which threatens the security of our customers. We oppose this order, which has implications far beyond the legal case at hand.
This moment calls for public discussion, and we want our customers and people around the country to understand what is at stake.


The Need for EncryptionSmartphones, led by iPhone, have become an essential part of our lives. People use them to store an incredible amount of personal information, from our private conversations to our photos, our music, our notes, our calendars and contacts, our financial information and health data, even where we have been and where we are going.
All that information needs to be protected from hackers and criminals who want to access it, steal it, and use it without our knowledge or permission. Customers expect Apple and other technology companies to do everything in our power to protect their personal information, and at Apple we are deeply committed to safeguarding their data.
Compromising the security of our personal information can ultimately put our personal safety at risk. That is why encryption has become so important to all of us.
For many years, we have used encryption to protect our customers’ personal data because we believe it’s the only way to keep their information safe. We have even put that data out of our own reach, because we believe the contents of your iPhone are none of our business.


The San Bernardino CaseWe were shocked and outraged by the deadly act of terrorism in San Bernardino last December. We mourn the loss of life and want justice for all those whose lives were affected. The FBI asked us for help in the days following the attack, and we have worked hard to support the government’s efforts to solve this horrible crime. We have no sympathy for terrorists.
When the FBI has requested data that’s in our possession, we have provided it. Apple complies with valid subpoenas and search warrants, as we have in the San Bernardino case. We have also made Apple engineers available to advise the FBI, and we’ve offered our best ideas on a number of investigative options at their disposal.
We have great respect for the professionals at the FBI, and we believe their intentions are good. Up to this point, we have done everything that is both within our power and within the law to help them. But now the U.S. government has asked us for something we simply do not have, and something we consider too dangerous to create. They have asked us to build a backdoor to the iPhone.
Specifically, the FBI wants us to make a new version of the iPhone operating system, circumventing several important security features, and install it on an iPhone recovered during the investigation. In the wrong hands, this software — which does not exist today — would have the potential to unlock any iPhone in someone’s physical possession.
The FBI may use different words to describe this tool, but make no mistake: Building a version of iOS that bypasses security in this way would undeniably create a backdoor. And while the government may argue that its use would be limited to this case, there is no way to guarantee such control.


The Threat to Data SecuritySome would argue that building a backdoor for just one iPhone is a simple, clean-cut solution. But it ignores both the basics of digital security and the significance of what the government is demanding in this case.
In today’s digital world, the “key” to an encrypted system is a piece of information that unlocks the data, and it is only as secure as the protections around it. Once the information is known, or a way to bypass the code is revealed, the encryption can be defeated by anyone with that knowledge.
The government suggests this tool could only be used once, on one phone. But that’s simply not true. Once created, the technique could be used over and over again, on any number of devices. In the physical world, it would be the equivalent of a master key, capable of opening hundreds of millions of locks — from restaurants and banks to stores and homes. No reasonable person would find that acceptable.
The government is asking Apple to hack our own users and undermine decades of security advancements that protect our customers — including tens of millions of American citizens — from sophisticated hackers and cybercriminals. The same engineers who built strong encryption into the iPhone to protect our users would, ironically, be ordered to weaken those protections and make our users less safe.
We can find no precedent for an American company being forced to expose its customers to a greater risk of attack. For years, cryptologists and national security experts have been warning against weakening encryption. Doing so would hurt only the well-meaning and law-abiding citizens who rely on companies like Apple to protect their data. Criminals and bad actors will still encrypt, using tools that are readily available to them.


A Dangerous PrecedentRather than asking for legislative action through Congress, the FBI is proposing an unprecedented use of the All Writs Act of 1789 to justify an expansion of its authority.
The government would have us remove security features and add new capabilities to the operating system, allowing a passcode to be input electronically. This would make it easier to unlock an iPhone by “brute force,” trying thousands or millions of combinations with the speed of a modern computer.
The implications of the government’s demands are chilling. If the government can use the All Writs Act to make it easier to unlock your iPhone, it would have the power to reach into anyone’s device to capture their data. The government could extend this breach of privacy and demand that Apple build surveillance software to intercept your messages, access your health records or financial data, track your location, or even access your phone’s microphone or camera without your knowledge.
Opposing this order is not something we take lightly. We feel we must speak up in the face of what we see as an overreach by the U.S. government.
We are challenging the FBI’s demands with the deepest respect for American democracy and a love of our country. We believe it would be in the best interest of everyone to step back and consider the implications.
While we believe the FBI’s intentions are good, it would be wrong for the government to force us to build a backdoor into our products. And ultimately, we fear that this demand would undermine the very freedoms and liberty our government is meant to protect.


Tim Cook

RDKC
02-18-2016, 01:04 PM
Doesn`t surprise me that the government is trying this. Goes along with everything else our public servants have done to take away the public`s privacy.

I`m glad Apple protested. Curious to see how it ends.

heisenberg
02-18-2016, 01:06 PM
Privacy/security is a huge issue in society today. I`m in favor of less government intrusion into our privacy and our rights even though I lean slightly to the left on the political spectrum. I`m mostly a moderate - but whatever.

Not everything needs to be regulated and not everything needs to be locked down so that someone else controls it. Apple taking a stand here earned a lot of points in my book. I know for a fact that tools/technologies already exist on less sophisticated/older phones that get sold to law enforcement and can dump all the data on your phone in minutes. A lot of the time these tools grab everything too - no picking and choosing. To me, that`s the most important part of this entire thing - access to the ability to decrypt these phones and grab the data would not be controlled like the court order suggests. The limit of use to this one case would set a precedent and it would eventually fall into other hands.

Take a look at the UK`s RIPA law. It was founded 8 years ago for use against terrorists. It gets used now for things as small as underage smoking. Get real.

The Driver
02-18-2016, 01:19 PM
Take a look at the UK`s RIPA law. It was founded 8 years ago for use against terrorists. It gets used now for things as small as underage smoking. Get real.

The problem is lawyers, Da`s especially. If they can find a precedent, they`ll use it to prosecute. Not to mention how emotional this society is, it`s like we don`t even need facts to get an indictment.

JBM
02-18-2016, 04:40 PM
What data is encrypted? Is there like an app for it lol?

RDKC
02-18-2016, 04:45 PM
The problem is lawyers, Da`s especially. If they can find a precedent, they`ll use it to prosecute. Not to mention how emotional this society is, it`s like we don`t even need facts to get an indictment.
The legal system has always been very flawed and innocent people have always been convicted of crimes they didn`t commit. I`m not trying to say that you`re not right, just making sure to point out its always been an issue. The methods the police use to "solve" crimes doesn`t help either, neither do the people that think CSI is 100% real.

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rlmccarty2000
02-18-2016, 06:34 PM
Good for Apple. I`m glad Apple is putting this out front so the public will know what is going on. The Patriot Act allowed law enforcement to look into private citizens lives with little or no good reason. Somewhere a line has to be drawn in the race to save us from the threat of terrorism. Someone must save us from our own governments good intentions. "Freedom is another word for nothing left to lose." Janis Joplin.

Bunky
02-18-2016, 07:16 PM
The loss of rights started with the Patriot Act in 2001 by leftee GWB. If you opposed it the days after 9/11, you were accused as soft on terror. In the senate, in 2001 only one senator voted against it..liberal Feingold. In the house only 3 republicans voted against it. There was more opposition in 2006 when it was reauthorized in the House, In the senate 10 democrats opposed it but no republicans.

It was more a rightist plot deprive your rights.

The Driver
02-18-2016, 08:43 PM
The loss of rights started with the Patriot Act in 2001 by leftee GWB. If you opposed it the days after 9/11, you were accused as soft on terror. In the senate, in 2001 only one senator voted against it..liberal Feingold. In the house only 3 republicans voted against it. There was more opposition in 2006 when it was reauthorized in the House, In the senate 10 democrats opposed it but no republicans.

It was more a rightist plot deprive your rights.

I`m talking about the political climate today, not pre-Bama.

An gun control laws now? That`s right, right?

JHL88
02-19-2016, 05:50 AM
Ive read an article where apple said it did this 100+ times before. So what makes this different? Besides them being terrorists

Bunky
02-19-2016, 06:44 AM
Ive read an article where apple said it did this 100+ times before. So what makes this different? Besides them being terrorists

That must have been pre-Obama so that does not count..We only want to bash Obama.

House of Wax
02-19-2016, 08:33 AM
Besides, we know this is all Bush`s fault anyway

The Driver
02-19-2016, 09:26 AM
That must have been pre-Obama so that does not count..We only want to bash Obama.

Try again, the fbi wants a back door created. They say it will only be used this once, that`s like telling Dennis the menace you can only eat candy this once....

Apple has aided agencies in attaining info from their cloud services such as iCloud or directly from the phone. All those numbers listed where pre-iOS 8x, get your facts right instead of deflecting.

Ios 9 is unbreakable due to its newer encryption format, hence why now the fbi is making a big stink.


Amazing what happens when you introduce facts into a debate, isn`t it?

4u2nvinmtl
02-19-2016, 10:54 AM
As some of you may or may not know, they (Border Agents) now have the right to search our phones when crossing the border into the US/Canada regardless of encryption or locks. In short if you bring your phone across the border and are selected to be searched you must unlock and decrypt your device for the agents or else (not 100% sure what the punishment for refusal).

As I frequently cross the border (dual citizen) to pick up detailing products and car parts it`s a huge concern to me as my phone contains much more than just phone calls and text messages, such as access to; all of my cloud storage, all of my banking information, all of my notes and letters, all of my pictures (especially pictures I take of tax documents and medical documents), personal videos, browser history, passwords and usernames stored within the browser, etc.).

Since this came into effect I no longer bring a phone with me when crossing the border, and that could lead to problems as we all rely on our phones (what if the car breaks down, what if I get lost and need my phone`s GPS, what if...) I have thought about a secondary phone just to cross the border...

The Driver
02-19-2016, 11:05 AM
As some of you may or may not know, they (Border Agents) now have the right to search our phones when crossing the border into the US/Canada regardless of encryption or locks. In short if you bring your phone across the border and are selected to be searched you must unlock and decrypt your device for the agents or else (not 100% sure what the punishment for refusal).

As I frequently cross the border (dual citizen) to pick up detailing products and car parts it`s a huge concern to me as my phone contains much more than just phone calls and text messages, such as access to; all of my cloud storage, all of my banking information, all of my notes and letters, all of my pictures (especially pictures I take of tax documents and medical documents), personal videos, browser history, passwords and usernames stored within the browser, etc.).

Since this came into effect I no longer bring a phone with me when crossing the border, and that could lead to problems as we all rely on our phones (what if the car breaks down, what if I get lost and need my phone`s GPS, what if...) I have thought about a secondary phone just to cross the border...

What do you have? Android or IOS?