The Guz
08-22-2015, 11:05 PM
Well to start off I posted a review on DP tire coating which can be found here.
http://www.autopia.org/forums/detailing-product-reviews/182150-review-dp-tire-coating.html
I had issues with it bonding to the tires. This is the second coating that has not played well with my tires. It doesn`t take away from the coating but it just didn`t bond correctly since my tires are fairly new. The coating itself is a good product.
Angus pointed me to this link which has some very good information.
Tuf Shine problems with sub-200 treadwear tires - Auto Geek Online Auto Detailing Forum (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/auto-detailing-101/93970-tuf-shine-problems-sub-200-treadwear-tires.html)
Nick posted this valuable tidbit.
How old are the tires?
I don`t even bother dressing or coating summer-spec Michelin tires until they have at least 2,000 miles on them. The mold release wax is practically impossible to remove, regardless of the cleaner, and it prevents the dressing and/or coating from sticking.
If your tires are brand new or low mileage, I wouldn`t be surprised if you`re experiencing the same issue.
I then contacted Nick over at Autogeek on how to remove this as he was part of the design team. This is what he sent me.
Mike,
It sounds like a bonding issue, and I see this a lot with tires that have recently been treated with another type of gel or dressing. Both Pinnacle and BLACKFIRE tire gels are pretty substantial in their formulation, meaning they penetrate deep into the tire.
I made a post recently where I recommended waiting a month or two before coating tires that have been previously treated with a gel. Thoroughly clean the tires with each wash, and after doing this 5-10 times over the course two months all the previously applied product will be removed, allowing a 100% clean surface for the coating to adhere to.
Here`s what happens...
As a tire rotating anti-ozonates are pushed out of the rubber, and this causes whatever gel or dressing to slowly "leach out" over time. If a gel is still present deep into the pores of the rubber, it will prevent the coating from bonding.
The same thing happens with new tires and the mold release wax. It`s nearly impossible to completely clean in one application (meaning all day of scrubbing). It needs time to naturally wear off.
DP Tire Coating is not a "dressing", it`s actually an acrylic resin. If you accidentally got any on your fingers when you applied the coating, you were able to see how you had to peel it off. This stuff is the real deal. This is both good and bad.
It`s good because when applied properly, it lasts a long time. When applied improperly, it lasts a long time and is very tough to remove.
I lead the development of this product and part of my job is experimenting with worst case scenario. I found that in order to get it off you need a very aggressive solvent and either a brillo pad or steel wool (steel wool works best). Super degreaser, tire cleaner, etc are not strong enough to remove the coating.
Get a can of wax and grease remover from Autozone and scrub it with steel wool. It`s going to take some time, but it will come off.
Let me know if you have any more questions.
Nick
I used a wax and grease remover with steel wool just as he recommended. I did a test spot to see if it would work and it did. So I proceeded on word. He was right. It takes a lot of patience getting it off. But take your time.
This is what I used since this is what I had laying around in the garage. FYI you will need 2-3 pieces of steel wool. I used some junk towels that will no longer be kept around.
http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/2932/medium/IMG_3936a.jpg
I taped off the lip of the wheels to avoid any damage.
http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/2932/medium/IMG_3937a.jpg
Here`s a 50/50 of it coming off. Right around the 45R18 it is noticeable what side has the coating and which side doesn`t.
http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/2932/medium/IMG_3938a.jpg
After scrubbing patiently the coating has been removed. There may still be coating in the ridges but I will have to live with that as I am not going to take the time to go into each one. I`m not that OCD. I will let the tire do the work by pushing them out with the anti-ozonates.
http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/2932/medium/IMG_3939a.jpg
Hope this helps those that need to remove it and start over or just don`t like it. It`s a lot of work so be prepared to spend some time.
Now I can`t stand an undressed tire so I will be using some sort of dressing, just not a coating for another few months. These should be ready for a coating at that point and I now know what has to be done thanks to Nick`s information.
http://www.autopia.org/forums/detailing-product-reviews/182150-review-dp-tire-coating.html
I had issues with it bonding to the tires. This is the second coating that has not played well with my tires. It doesn`t take away from the coating but it just didn`t bond correctly since my tires are fairly new. The coating itself is a good product.
Angus pointed me to this link which has some very good information.
Tuf Shine problems with sub-200 treadwear tires - Auto Geek Online Auto Detailing Forum (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/auto-detailing-101/93970-tuf-shine-problems-sub-200-treadwear-tires.html)
Nick posted this valuable tidbit.
How old are the tires?
I don`t even bother dressing or coating summer-spec Michelin tires until they have at least 2,000 miles on them. The mold release wax is practically impossible to remove, regardless of the cleaner, and it prevents the dressing and/or coating from sticking.
If your tires are brand new or low mileage, I wouldn`t be surprised if you`re experiencing the same issue.
I then contacted Nick over at Autogeek on how to remove this as he was part of the design team. This is what he sent me.
Mike,
It sounds like a bonding issue, and I see this a lot with tires that have recently been treated with another type of gel or dressing. Both Pinnacle and BLACKFIRE tire gels are pretty substantial in their formulation, meaning they penetrate deep into the tire.
I made a post recently where I recommended waiting a month or two before coating tires that have been previously treated with a gel. Thoroughly clean the tires with each wash, and after doing this 5-10 times over the course two months all the previously applied product will be removed, allowing a 100% clean surface for the coating to adhere to.
Here`s what happens...
As a tire rotating anti-ozonates are pushed out of the rubber, and this causes whatever gel or dressing to slowly "leach out" over time. If a gel is still present deep into the pores of the rubber, it will prevent the coating from bonding.
The same thing happens with new tires and the mold release wax. It`s nearly impossible to completely clean in one application (meaning all day of scrubbing). It needs time to naturally wear off.
DP Tire Coating is not a "dressing", it`s actually an acrylic resin. If you accidentally got any on your fingers when you applied the coating, you were able to see how you had to peel it off. This stuff is the real deal. This is both good and bad.
It`s good because when applied properly, it lasts a long time. When applied improperly, it lasts a long time and is very tough to remove.
I lead the development of this product and part of my job is experimenting with worst case scenario. I found that in order to get it off you need a very aggressive solvent and either a brillo pad or steel wool (steel wool works best). Super degreaser, tire cleaner, etc are not strong enough to remove the coating.
Get a can of wax and grease remover from Autozone and scrub it with steel wool. It`s going to take some time, but it will come off.
Let me know if you have any more questions.
Nick
I used a wax and grease remover with steel wool just as he recommended. I did a test spot to see if it would work and it did. So I proceeded on word. He was right. It takes a lot of patience getting it off. But take your time.
This is what I used since this is what I had laying around in the garage. FYI you will need 2-3 pieces of steel wool. I used some junk towels that will no longer be kept around.
http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/2932/medium/IMG_3936a.jpg
I taped off the lip of the wheels to avoid any damage.
http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/2932/medium/IMG_3937a.jpg
Here`s a 50/50 of it coming off. Right around the 45R18 it is noticeable what side has the coating and which side doesn`t.
http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/2932/medium/IMG_3938a.jpg
After scrubbing patiently the coating has been removed. There may still be coating in the ridges but I will have to live with that as I am not going to take the time to go into each one. I`m not that OCD. I will let the tire do the work by pushing them out with the anti-ozonates.
http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/2932/medium/IMG_3939a.jpg
Hope this helps those that need to remove it and start over or just don`t like it. It`s a lot of work so be prepared to spend some time.
Now I can`t stand an undressed tire so I will be using some sort of dressing, just not a coating for another few months. These should be ready for a coating at that point and I now know what has to be done thanks to Nick`s information.