CEE DOG
09-26-2011, 06:29 PM
Nano Spray Coatings: Permanon vs. C2 vs. Reload
About 4 months ago I recoated half of this test panel with coatings after using it for rotary training. So the test panel had 1/4 of it with CQ, 1/4 of it with OC and the other half with polymer sealants.
This was how it looked this morning before I got started.
After sitting for a few months
http://i1082.photobucket.com/albums/j376/CEEDOG7/Reviews/Spray%20on%20Nano%20Coatings/1.jpg
I washed the last few months of dust off and went over it real quick with 205/tangerine pad and then 85RD/crimson pad on my Flex PE-14. It was then thoroughly stripped of any oils, etc.
http://i1082.photobucket.com/albums/j376/CEEDOG7/Reviews/Spray%20on%20Nano%20Coatings/2.jpg
From Left to Right I applied as follows:
Reload over CQuartz
Permanon Platinum (10% Dilution) over CQuartz
Permanon Platinum (10% Dilution) over OptiCoat
Reload over OptiCoat
Gtechnique C2 (neat)
Gtechnique C2 (10% Dilution)
Reload (neat)
Permanon Platinum (10% Dilution) –Top half buffed off with towel / Bottom half blown of with MB
Permanon Platinum (neat)
Duragloss Aquawax
Dodo Juice Red Mist
Video: Timeline & Application
Nano sprays setup & Application.wmv - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUT2zvt2l9g)
After that I placed the panel in the sun for the day.
http://i1082.photobucket.com/albums/j376/CEEDOG7/Reviews/Spray%20on%20Nano%20Coatings/3.jpg
Just before the evening thunderstorms came I setup the video camera and created the first in a series of tests. This first test would be the sheeting test.
Video: Test #1 (Sheeting)
Nano sprays Test 1.wmv - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ig0RTPPYZhs)
Additionally I sprayed the panel with a finer mist than was used for sheeting and took some beading photos. I have some thoughts on which are more spherically held off the paint vs. domed but I’ll let you judge for yourself.
Gtechniq C2
http://i1082.photobucket.com/albums/j376/CEEDOG7/Reviews/Spray%20on%20Nano%20Coatings/4-C2.jpg
CarPro Reload
http://i1082.photobucket.com/albums/j376/CEEDOG7/Reviews/Spray%20on%20Nano%20Coatings/5-Reload.jpg
Permanon Platinum
http://i1082.photobucket.com/albums/j376/CEEDOG7/Reviews/Spray%20on%20Nano%20Coatings/6-PermanonPlatinum.jpg
Methods of Application:
Other methods of application are obviously available and I could get into this deeper but that’s for another time. This is a comparison so basically a summary and generalization will have to do here. There are further tips that should be considered if you use these products.
CarPro Reload:
1.- Spray sparingly across section (Approximately 1 spray per 3 sq. ft.)
2.- Wipe and spread immediately
3.- Flip towel and buff off immediately
Gtechniq C2:
1.- Spray across section
2.- Wipe and spread immediately
3.- Flip towel and buff off. (Use harder pressure for higher gloss)
4.- Note: Can also be diluted and applied like Permanon (shown below) but is considered a booster when applied this way according to Gtechniq
Permanon Platinum:
1.- Dilute 10% Permanon to 90% Distilled water
2.- Mist onto a pre-cleaned and rinsed surface
3.- Blow off or Rinse and wipe dry
The reason I even mention this is specifically the fact that the directions from Gtech and Permanon are so different. If they are the same thing why would one be suggested to press hard and the other be suggested just to rinse off? I’m not suggesting they are so different but rather pointing out that something doesn’t add up among the currently accepted information. Now of course Gtech C2 can also be Diluted similar to Permanon, etc. but why then does Permanon not have a method for applying neat like Gtech does?
Basically from the information available Reload is the cheapest option but Permanon or C2 diluted can be misted onto any manner of wheels, calipers, wheel wells, etc. and then simply blow off which gives them a benefit for hard to reach places.
Dust Free?
The next update will show if there is any difference in the resistance to dust on the sections of the panel. My prediction is the dust magnetism will be identical among all 3 nano products. I will also add a test to my daily driver as I believe the dust will be blown off of a moving vehicle. I`ve noted this happens with the Reload I currently have on my vehicle.
Pricing:
Costs gets a little blurry between these 3 products due to different recommendations of application method by manufacturers. First it is said that Gtechniq and Permanon are the same except for the fact Permanon just came out with Platinum which was what I used in my testing. Platinum is more costly that the other level of Permanon which is equal in price to Gtechniq C2.
Now, lets move forward with the idea that both Permanon and C2 are basically the same product. The directions are different from these two companies.
If you take Reload and C2 side by side the Reload is less than half the price per oz. The place where it gets confusing is the fact that you can dilute C2 to create a booster product. Once diluted it would then be cheaper except for the fact that if you follow the directions from Permanon on how to apply their diluted product which is supposedly similar to the Gtech C2 you have to mist much more product which places it back on the more expensive than Reload category.
Therefore the question becomes... Can you dilute Gtech C2 or PP and apply it the way you apply Reload or the way you apply C2 undiluted? In other words still use a minimal amount of product.... I have a test set up for this as well and look forward to seeing what the durability is for this case but everything seems to point towards C2 and PP needing to be misted thoroughly to get good durability.
http://i1082.photobucket.com/albums/j376/CEEDOG7/Reviews/Spray%20on%20Nano%20Coatings/7-Chart.jpg
Additional Products used for this comparison:
Rolled edge mf towels
CarPro MicroFiber Terry Towel (40x40cm)
CarPro Plush Microfiber glove
About 4 months ago I recoated half of this test panel with coatings after using it for rotary training. So the test panel had 1/4 of it with CQ, 1/4 of it with OC and the other half with polymer sealants.
This was how it looked this morning before I got started.
After sitting for a few months
http://i1082.photobucket.com/albums/j376/CEEDOG7/Reviews/Spray%20on%20Nano%20Coatings/1.jpg
I washed the last few months of dust off and went over it real quick with 205/tangerine pad and then 85RD/crimson pad on my Flex PE-14. It was then thoroughly stripped of any oils, etc.
http://i1082.photobucket.com/albums/j376/CEEDOG7/Reviews/Spray%20on%20Nano%20Coatings/2.jpg
From Left to Right I applied as follows:
Reload over CQuartz
Permanon Platinum (10% Dilution) over CQuartz
Permanon Platinum (10% Dilution) over OptiCoat
Reload over OptiCoat
Gtechnique C2 (neat)
Gtechnique C2 (10% Dilution)
Reload (neat)
Permanon Platinum (10% Dilution) –Top half buffed off with towel / Bottom half blown of with MB
Permanon Platinum (neat)
Duragloss Aquawax
Dodo Juice Red Mist
Video: Timeline & Application
Nano sprays setup & Application.wmv - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUT2zvt2l9g)
After that I placed the panel in the sun for the day.
http://i1082.photobucket.com/albums/j376/CEEDOG7/Reviews/Spray%20on%20Nano%20Coatings/3.jpg
Just before the evening thunderstorms came I setup the video camera and created the first in a series of tests. This first test would be the sheeting test.
Video: Test #1 (Sheeting)
Nano sprays Test 1.wmv - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ig0RTPPYZhs)
Additionally I sprayed the panel with a finer mist than was used for sheeting and took some beading photos. I have some thoughts on which are more spherically held off the paint vs. domed but I’ll let you judge for yourself.
Gtechniq C2
http://i1082.photobucket.com/albums/j376/CEEDOG7/Reviews/Spray%20on%20Nano%20Coatings/4-C2.jpg
CarPro Reload
http://i1082.photobucket.com/albums/j376/CEEDOG7/Reviews/Spray%20on%20Nano%20Coatings/5-Reload.jpg
Permanon Platinum
http://i1082.photobucket.com/albums/j376/CEEDOG7/Reviews/Spray%20on%20Nano%20Coatings/6-PermanonPlatinum.jpg
Methods of Application:
Other methods of application are obviously available and I could get into this deeper but that’s for another time. This is a comparison so basically a summary and generalization will have to do here. There are further tips that should be considered if you use these products.
CarPro Reload:
1.- Spray sparingly across section (Approximately 1 spray per 3 sq. ft.)
2.- Wipe and spread immediately
3.- Flip towel and buff off immediately
Gtechniq C2:
1.- Spray across section
2.- Wipe and spread immediately
3.- Flip towel and buff off. (Use harder pressure for higher gloss)
4.- Note: Can also be diluted and applied like Permanon (shown below) but is considered a booster when applied this way according to Gtechniq
Permanon Platinum:
1.- Dilute 10% Permanon to 90% Distilled water
2.- Mist onto a pre-cleaned and rinsed surface
3.- Blow off or Rinse and wipe dry
The reason I even mention this is specifically the fact that the directions from Gtech and Permanon are so different. If they are the same thing why would one be suggested to press hard and the other be suggested just to rinse off? I’m not suggesting they are so different but rather pointing out that something doesn’t add up among the currently accepted information. Now of course Gtech C2 can also be Diluted similar to Permanon, etc. but why then does Permanon not have a method for applying neat like Gtech does?
Basically from the information available Reload is the cheapest option but Permanon or C2 diluted can be misted onto any manner of wheels, calipers, wheel wells, etc. and then simply blow off which gives them a benefit for hard to reach places.
Dust Free?
The next update will show if there is any difference in the resistance to dust on the sections of the panel. My prediction is the dust magnetism will be identical among all 3 nano products. I will also add a test to my daily driver as I believe the dust will be blown off of a moving vehicle. I`ve noted this happens with the Reload I currently have on my vehicle.
Pricing:
Costs gets a little blurry between these 3 products due to different recommendations of application method by manufacturers. First it is said that Gtechniq and Permanon are the same except for the fact Permanon just came out with Platinum which was what I used in my testing. Platinum is more costly that the other level of Permanon which is equal in price to Gtechniq C2.
Now, lets move forward with the idea that both Permanon and C2 are basically the same product. The directions are different from these two companies.
If you take Reload and C2 side by side the Reload is less than half the price per oz. The place where it gets confusing is the fact that you can dilute C2 to create a booster product. Once diluted it would then be cheaper except for the fact that if you follow the directions from Permanon on how to apply their diluted product which is supposedly similar to the Gtech C2 you have to mist much more product which places it back on the more expensive than Reload category.
Therefore the question becomes... Can you dilute Gtech C2 or PP and apply it the way you apply Reload or the way you apply C2 undiluted? In other words still use a minimal amount of product.... I have a test set up for this as well and look forward to seeing what the durability is for this case but everything seems to point towards C2 and PP needing to be misted thoroughly to get good durability.
http://i1082.photobucket.com/albums/j376/CEEDOG7/Reviews/Spray%20on%20Nano%20Coatings/7-Chart.jpg
Additional Products used for this comparison:
Rolled edge mf towels
CarPro MicroFiber Terry Towel (40x40cm)
CarPro Plush Microfiber glove