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Leadfootluke
04-12-2010, 01:28 PM
I have a growing collection of waxes and sealants [although small comparatively speaking]. I have only done detailing on my personal vehicles, but I am always looking to see how different products look on different finishes. Once again, hyperlinked to the website I bought them from and originally posted this thread on.



In this test, I have 5 of the Waxes/Sealants that I presently own being tested.



Collinite Insulator Wax No. 845

http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/classic-motoring_2099_6103956 (http://www.properautocare.com/collinite845.html)



I find this wax to be extremely easy to apply. After I have owned it for nearly 6 months and kept it at room temperature and transfered it to my 8oz dispensing bottle, it has retained a warm butter consistency. It spread very easily and removal is quite easy as well. After 24 hours of application and spraying the surface, the water forms into small circular beads. When greater quantities of water is sprayed, the beads collide and run off leaving the surface almost completely bare, even without flooding. In comparison to the unprotected surface next to it, it is actually noticeably darker and deeper. Under the right conditions the difference could probably be caught in a picture.



Collinite Super Doublecoat Auto Wax No. 476S

http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/classic-motoring_2099_6057863 (http://www.properautocare.com/collinite476s.html)



This wax is very hard. Even being kept in warm storage the wax is still rock hard. After moving the foam applicator over the surface in swiping motions, the wax melts onto the pad and can be easily applied. Per the collinite website: "The 845 and 476s are made with the same ingredients, but the 476s lasts longer due to the fact that it has a higher concentration of natural and synthetic waxes. This is why the 476s is tougher to work with. The 845 has been Collinite’s overall best seller for 20 years due to the fact that it has excellent durability combined with an ease of use." This is exemplified through the use of both waxes. 476 is much harder to use in comparison to 845, but still not difficult. When spraying the surface, the water forms beads. Unlike 845, 476 likes to stay in beads instead of sheeting like 845 did when water was sprayed heavily on it.



Optimum Car Wax



http://p.hostingprod.com/@properautocare.com/ProductPictures/Optimum/CarWax17oz.jpg (http://www.properautocare.com/sw2008p.html)



An extremely user friendly wax, OCW can be applied by spraying the surface and wiping it off with a microfiber towel. The surface reminds me of a waxed, then QD`d finish. Because I have other waxes that are applied in a more traditional sense, I like to use OCW over existing waxes to boost the protection and looks. OCW creates beads on the surface which are a little larger than beads formed by the Collinite products. I am still testing the durability, but since i have began using it a month ago, the protection is still remaining.



Optimum Opti-Seal

http://p.hostingprod.com/@properautocare.com/ProductPictures/Optimum/Opti-Seal8oz.jpg (http://www.properautocare.com/os2007c.html)



Probably the easiest sealant to use. Just wipe on and walk away. It is hard to not use too much product with OOS. Just remove any excess OOS with a MF if you can see streaks. OOS creates uniform, larger beads that sheet off when on vertical or angled surfaces. I have not tested OOS without topping it with OCW, but I hope to see how the looks and performances differ.



Wolfgang Deep Gloss Paint Sealant 3.0



I received this for free from a contest. It is considered a quality sealant and I am hoping to find out how well it performs. DGPS is a little harder to apply than the other waxes or sealants and a little harder to remove. In terms of ease, it was not as nice as the others. It did not sheet as well as OOS, but hopefully the durability will shine through. The beads on horizontal surfaces were fairly large as well.







Pictures



My entire truck had OCW on it from last months wash/wax. Still holding up on the drivers side door.

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Redv8s/Detailing/IMG_0478.jpg



Stripped the wax from the hood :biggrin:

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Redv8s/Detailing/IMG_0473.jpg



The surface was clayed a few months ago and has had an LSP on it since. To strip the wax, I used TW Liquid Clay bar [found it in the cabinets]. Then rinsed the surface and sprayed with a diluted degreaser and washed the surface with ONR to wash it all off. I then gave it an IPA wipedown before applying the waxes and sealants.



The 5 next to each other.

845, OOS, 476, DGPS, OCW

The outsides were split with the tape, the middle 3 were separated by the body lines

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Redv8s/Detailing/IMG_0479.jpg



This first shot has lightly misted water on the surface, you can see the differences in the products.

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Redv8s/Detailing/IMG_0481.jpg



Another similar shot with added contrast. It helped to define the different sections. There was more water added to the surface, enough so some surface began to run while other held the water.

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Redv8s/Detailing/IMG_0485b.jpg



Collinite 845

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Redv8s/Detailing/IMG_0489.jpg



Beads with beads of air in them? :huh:

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Redv8s/Detailing/IMG_0500.jpg



I hope to keep up with the testing to see which not only protects the longest, but retains it`s slickness. Hope you enjoy it! :clap:

steelwind101
04-12-2010, 03:46 PM
Wolfgangs beading does not stay that tight, but it releases dirt really well and passes the squeak test month after month! Cant wait to see the results!

Dan
04-12-2010, 06:11 PM
Really curious to see how your 845 holds up vs the 476. I still need to do that side by side myself. If I actually had a life, I`d just stick with 845, by far the "best" LSP out there.

Leadfootluke
04-12-2010, 07:25 PM
Really curious to see how your 845 holds up vs the 476. I still need to do that side by side myself. If I actually had a life, I`d just stick with 845, by far the "best" LSP out there.



I am going to do some testing on my roof tomorrow since it is a relatively square flat panel itself. I had the idea of doing a 476 and 845 comparison since they are essentially very similar, but I also thought for a second about doing an Optimum Half first hit with an AIO [Poli-seal] then a sealant in opti-seal, and top it with ocw on one half. On the other side, the AIO [Klasse AIO], topped with 845, then topped with 476 to view the performance of Optimum versus Collinite. I`m open to test other combos or comparisons too :)

Leadfootluke
04-19-2010, 06:33 PM
Time for an update. It has been a little over a week since the initial application. There is some serious distinction between some of the LSP`s and some very interesting results between others.



Collinite Insulator Wax No. 845

Still maintaining it`s place as my favorite in this contest. The beads look awesome, but it is by far the most repelling wax. By that, I mean water that is sprayed onto it does not cling and bead, but just does not stick. This is best illustrated by comparing it to 476. If you spray a strong "shower" onto the paint from 1 foot away at the 845, the paint is clear. The pressure pushes the water right off. If you do the same to 476, the water immediately beads and holds the beads. The pictures will help to illustrate this.



Collinite Super Doublecoat Auto Wax No. 476S

This wax is doing just as I thought it would. It bead`s the best, but holds water the longest. I love the look of it, and as you blow air on the surface, the beads move off the finish, but just sprayed on, the water holds tight in beads. Again, shown in the following images.



Optimum Car Wax

Confusing. This wax is what my truck had on it before I stripped it. The areas where OCW remains on other panels is still holding up, but not as well as it was a month ago when it was applied. The OCW that was applied last week is sheeting the water. Compared to the Wolfgang sealant, I could not tell the difference between them. The picture somewhat illustrate my point. Definitely not a bad thing! The protection and slickness is holding up well, and I look forward to closely monitoring it.



Optimum Opti-Seal

This sealant sheets water incredibly well. In the images following, they illustrate the sheer slickness of this sealant. Nothing bad to say yet, water just doesn`t stick to it!



Wolfgang Deep Gloss Paint Sealant 3.0

It acts just like OOS, but collects a ton of dust. That was the only difference at this point. Also, as mentioned, OCW and this sealant look similar with the exception of the dust collecting.



Again, the order is

845, OOS, 476, DGPS, OCW respectively.



Initial spraydown and subsequent sheeting/beading forming in the next image.

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Redv8s/Detailing/IMG_0541.jpg



http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Redv8s/Detailing/IMG_0542.jpg



476 and DGPS and OCW [no differences to the right of 476]

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Redv8s/Detailing/IMG_0548.jpg



More DGPS and OCW, continuous shot mode

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Redv8s/Detailing/IMG_0551.jpg

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Redv8s/Detailing/IMG_0552.jpg

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Redv8s/Detailing/IMG_0553.jpg

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Redv8s/Detailing/IMG_0554.jpg



And the 845 and OOS and 476 comparison. Look at the distinction in the 845 versus OOS and the tight 476S beads to the right. Shot in continuous drive, the pictures are < 3 seconds apart.



http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Redv8s/Detailing/IMG_0560.jpg

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Redv8s/Detailing/IMG_0562.jpg

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Redv8s/Detailing/IMG_0566.jpg

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Redv8s/Detailing/IMG_0570.jpg

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Redv8s/Detailing/IMG_0574.jpg

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Redv8s/Detailing/IMG_0578.jpg

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Redv8s/Detailing/IMG_0582.jpg

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Redv8s/Detailing/IMG_0586.jpg

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Redv8s/Detailing/IMG_0588.jpg

Alex Boyce
04-19-2010, 07:13 PM
Thanks for the pics, they really emphasize how wax beads and sealants sheet.

THERUSE
04-20-2010, 12:59 PM
thanks for doing this, it is always great to get some scientific data.

wannafbody
04-20-2010, 01:23 PM
Of all those I`d suspect that the 845 actually provides the most protection. As for the Optimum products if they originally beaded and now sheet then someone has been washed away-the question that remains is-was it part of the protective package?

Leadfootluke
04-20-2010, 02:52 PM
Of all those I`d suspect that the 845 actually provides the most protection. As for the Optimum products if they originally beaded and now sheet then someone has been washed away-the question that remains is-was it part of the protective package?



That`s just it. How can I test the level of protection instead of just the beading/sheeting qualities? And the OCW on the rest of the vehicle was beading like normal :think:

wannafbody
04-20-2010, 03:42 PM
Maybe the heat from the engine has broken down the wax portion of OCW. As for 845 it`s the easiest to judge because as you dry it it tends to leave little microbeads as it repels the water.

imported_Erik Mejia
04-20-2010, 05:05 PM
I think Opti-Seal is very impressive, lmk your opinion on it when you`ve concluded testing.

Scottwax
04-20-2010, 06:30 PM
It is probably better to use the roof or the trunk of the car to take engine heat out of the equation. Nice test though, love how OS sheets water, I notice a lot less spotting after rain when I have it as my LSP.

Leadfootluke
04-20-2010, 07:00 PM
It is probably better to use the roof or the trunk of the car to take engine heat out of the equation. Nice test though, love how OS sheets water, I notice a lot less spotting after rain when I have it as my LSP.



Only so many flat surfaces on my truck :doh



I do have collinites chilling in a pattern on my roof though :lol



Thanks Scott!

imported_reeeko99
04-20-2010, 07:23 PM
Nice test.



I like 845 out of all of them. I`ve used OptiSeal,845, and 476.

Thought 845 was in the middle out of the 3 IMO.

So far I`m happiest with 845.



For winter, DG501 followed by 2x476.



I`ve never seen a can of 476 in a silver/blue/white tin? Is that an industrial size can? 24oz ?

Leadfootluke
04-20-2010, 07:37 PM
Nice test.



I like 845 out of all of them. I`ve used OptiSeal,845, and 476.

Thought 845 was in the middle out of the 3 IMO.

So far I`m happiest with 845.



For winter, DG501 followed by 2x476.



I`ve never seen a can of 476 in a silver/blue/white tin? Is that an industrial size can? 24oz ?



It is 18oz, but it is from the factory in Utica which may be why there is less stuff on the outside of the can.