Meguiars M105 question..problem

[Fly5465]

Hey all,

I`m new to the M105 and I`m trying to use it with my Cyclo polisher with green pads. My vehicle is white. Anyway I primed the pads and went over a section on my hood. I`m not sure if I`m not going long enough or to long, or what my problem is.



After working the polish for a while then I I then try to wipe it off with a MF towel. But holy cow its really hard to get off? I end up having to use some quick detailer or some Final inspection 34 that I have. Even then I have to rub like crazy to get it off?



What am I doing wrong? Should I work it longer? Should I work it less? It will take me forever doing it the way I`m going now?



Thanks,

FLY5465 - Arizona

[B-52GUNNER]

Sounds like to much product.

[gmblack3]

Sounds like the old formula of M105. Sounds like you are working it too long, but I don`t have any experience with the cyclo. When I have issues removing it, I use straight IPA. I spray it on the MF 2-3x and it wipes away clean. You are also ensuring that you are doing real correction.

[imported_Jakerooni]

sounds like you`re getting the product to hot. are you working in the shade?

[Accumulator]

Fly5465- I`ve yet to use M105 with my Cyclos, but it sounds to me like you`re working it too long.



I somehow bet that you have the v2.0 (which will say it`s OK for DA/hand use on the bottle).



M105 can flash/dry pretty fast, and the Cyclo flashes some products more quickly than one might expect (KAIO is a good example).



You *might* be using too much product, but it`s hard to say. That *would* result in hard-to-remove residue but it would also diminish the quick-flashing so :nixweiss



Is there dry/caked product on the pads? That would indicate you`re working it too long.



Don`t work large areas. Try 12" x 12" or so.



To lessen the work time, try working it for six "passes", meaning six movements across the area of operation. Each of those might take maybe five seconds, so we`re only talking about maybe half a minute or so.



If that`s too short you can always work it longer, but I somehow bet that`s less time than you`re working it now.



The M105 doesn`t break down anyhow, it just dries out as the oils/carrier agents evaporate. So buffing it off too soon probably won`t cause any real problems but will just cut down on the amount of work that`s getting done.



This is one of those products you don`t need to work for a long time.



And there`s nothing wrong with using #34 when buffing off M105 residue, it`s good for minimizing any hazing. It`s just that it shouldn`t be absolutely *necessary*.



Summary:

-Check that the pads are primed properly and that you`re not using too much/not enough product

-Work smaller areas

-Don`t work the product too long

-Try to buff it off before it`s dried completely

-Check your pads for dried product to gauge whether you need to alter something

[Fly5465]

Thanks all,

Your all very helpful. Well, I tried several things and its going better now. I think I was using to much product for one. Also, I`m now working it longer and it seems to be going better. I`m not getting any "caking" on the pads. Also I`m trying to do a smaller area as Accumulator suggested. I`m working inside my garage and it`s in the shade, but then again its 100 degrees already (Arizona).



I think white is a hard color to see whats going on. There doesn`t seem to be as much reflection in white as other colors. Anyway, I think its looking better and it feels much smoother now after the clay bar, then M105 and M205.



Thanks again for everyone`s help, I REALLY appriciate it!



Fly5465

[Accumulator]

.. I tried several things and its going better now. I think I was using to much product for one. Also, I`m now working it longer and it seems to be going better. I`m not getting any "caking" on the pads. ..





Ah, working it *longer*, OK, with no caking that sounds good. And yeah, it`s easy to get into the "use more to do more" mindset, even though that doesn`t really work.



Remember to clean the pads pretty frequently.



Glad you`re getting things dialed-in.

[Fly5465]

Just an update on my detailing project....



I have figured out what works for me with the M105 and a cyclo polisher. I`m using a little less product that earlier and working it longer. I can continue to work it until its almost gone on the panel. Then it wipes off easily. I dont think I`m working it to long because there in no "caking" on the pads.



I`m using the orange pads on the Cyclo with the M105 and I`m surprised how nice it polishes up with M105. I think I could just wax it when finished as it looks pretty good. However I`m going to go over the whole thing agian with M205 before waxing it.



My vehicle is a 2002 Toyota 4x4 that is white. I have some scratches in the paint from 4 wheeling in the brush. Not through the paint, but I have a few pretty good scratches. With the Cyclo and the M105 on orange pads I was able to remove 90% of my offroading scratches. I just cant get the last 10%. The remaining scratches look much better because they are "rounded?" and shinny. However in just the right light if you look closely you can still see them. But like I said it MUCH better now and you really have to look hard to see them.



I wonder if I would be able to get these scratches out 100% if I had a PC7424 with an orange pad and the M105??? I may have to get one to try in the near future.



So far I have completed the truck with the M105. Tomorrow I`m going to go over it with the M205, then wax. I had to quite for the day as it now about 108 in my garage.



I`m no expert (like many of you) but I would have to say I`m impressed with the M105 using the Cyclo. I can`t imagine it will get that much better after going over it with the M205, but we`ll see??



Thanks everyone agian for all the support and good info on this sight.



Fly5465 - Arizona

[Accumulator]

Just an update on my detailing project....



I have figured out what works for me with the M105 and a cyclo polisher. I`m using a little less product that earlier and working it longer. I can continue to work it until its almost gone on the panel. Then it wipes off easily. I dont think I`m working it to long because there in no "caking" on the pads...



If it`s not drying out/caking on the pads/sticking to the paint then you`re not overworking it :xyxthumbs


I`m using the orange pads on the Cyclo with the M105 and I`m surprised how nice it polishes up with M105. I think I could just wax it when finished as it looks pretty good. However I`m going to go over the whole thing agian with M205 before waxing it.



Heh heh, yeah, that`s what I thought the first time I used M105; it sure does finish out nicely. But just wait until you try the M205 ;)




I wonder if I would be able to get these scratches out 100% if I had a PC7424 with an orange pad and the M105??? I may have to get one to try in the near future.



I dunno if a) it`d be worth thinning the clear over, or b) worth doing anyhow. Just because you can see them during a meticulous inspection that might not mean you need to eliminate them to be satisfied with how it looks. And nobody else will ever notice (not that anybody else`s opinion oughta matter ;) ).



The PC with 3.5/4" pads can do stuff the Cyclo can`t though. It can be a *LOT* more aggressive.


So far I have completed the truck with the M105. Tomorrow I`m going to go over it with the M205, then wax. I had to quite for the day as it now about 108 in my garage.



My wife and I used to do outdoor stuff in AZ during the month of June...yeah, it gets hot all right!




I would have to say I`m impressed with the M105 using the Cyclo. I can`t imagine it will get that much better after going over it with the M205, but we`ll see??



Even on white I think you`ll see a difference. M205 is very user-friendly IME too. Glad it`s going well.