View Full Version : 2 passes with M105/Wool, no luck...
PresdntialDtail
10-23-2008, 02:40 PM
I am working on a 2002 Honda S2000. It is in pretty rough shape as far as swirling/RIDs. I have tried everything I have, M105/Wool pad being my most aggressive combination. Only problem is, even after two passes with M105/Wool there are still alot of RIDs that are not coming out. Honda paint is supposed to be super soft, so this combination should take care of it no problem, but its not. It is significantly improving the paint, but its not autopian standard. My question is what is the next step?
I dont think my customer would want to pay for wetsanding. Do I just tell the customer, its as good as its going to get without taking alot more time and possibly wetsanding?
Thanks in advance!
EDIT: UPDATE!!
Ok, just talked with the owner..may be bad bad news..parts of the car have been repainted. He says he does not know for sure, but the hood could have possibly been blended. What I am thinking now, is that they could have recleared over the existing swirls in the paint, therefore making it impossible to correct...
any opinions on what to do with this situation now?
Mobilejay
10-23-2008, 03:03 PM
What machine are you using? I would just be honest and tell him/her that its as far as you can go with out wetsanding. They should understand.
PresdntialDtail
10-23-2008, 03:07 PM
I am using a Dewalt rotary. the car will still look a hundred times better, just wont be perfectly swirls free.
imported_weekendwarrior
10-23-2008, 03:11 PM
I own a Honda, and here is something else you can try. Take some SIP, and a Green, German LC foam pad, and work the SIP over the RIDS. With the Green pad, you can really work the SIP, and take out some pretty decent defects, due to the long working time this process produces.
You can also try something like M95 that gives a longer working time than the M105 to better take advantage of the pad`s cutting ability.
gmblack3
10-23-2008, 03:23 PM
With M105s quick working time sometimes you need to hit it at least 4x.
David might be on to something with the SIP/green....
Sometimes on softer paint SIP can really put some heat into the panel, so be careful.
PresdntialDtail
10-23-2008, 03:25 PM
thanks for the advice, unfortunately I do not have the green german pads yet. I have Megs burgandy and yellow wool, PFW, orange, white, black, blue. As for polishes, I have M105, SIP, IP, 106fa,106ff,po85rd.
With these products, what would you recommend? I have already tried SIP/Orange with no luck, SIP/yellow wool, and M105/Burg Wool. I did not notice much improvement from M105/Burg than the SIP/yellow gave me.
PresdntialDtail
10-23-2008, 04:53 PM
Here is a before..
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b238/TheTwanksta94/2001%20NFR%20S2000/IMG_4630.jpg
Here is a after..
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b238/TheTwanksta94/2001%20NFR%20S2000/IMG_4631.jpg
50/50
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b238/TheTwanksta94/2001%20NFR%20S2000/IMG_4627.jpg
PresdntialDtail
10-23-2008, 04:55 PM
Should I just leave it at that? And let the customer know its going to take alot of wet sanding/time to get it the rest of the way?
The best combo seems to be SIP/Woolx2 followed by SIP/Orange. But its still not leaving me with a swirl-free finish...
Old Pirate
10-23-2008, 04:56 PM
CMA is about 25 Min`s from us in Tampa and they have German foam green pads there. But there is a good chance you might need to wet sand those areas.
PresdntialDtail
10-23-2008, 05:08 PM
CMA is about 25 Min`s from us in Tampa and they have German foam green pads there. But there is a good chance you might need to wet sand those areas.
Well thats the problem, the whole car is like that. Ill just take it for what its worth and let the customer know its not getting any better than that without wet sanding.
BuffMe
10-23-2008, 05:31 PM
You might need to move to a yellow pad for a more aggressive combo that will put more heat into the paint than a wool pad will. I`ve cleared some pretty nasty stuff up on hard clear using that combo so be careful.
johnbrown1500hd
10-23-2008, 05:34 PM
just wetsand and use turtle wax heavy duty rubbing compound, works for me on my ford escort
PresdntialDtail
10-23-2008, 05:56 PM
You might need to move to a yellow pad for a more aggressive combo that will put more heat into the paint than a wool pad will. I`ve cleared some pretty nasty stuff up on hard clear using that combo so be careful.
Hmm, maybe in the morning I will try to find a yellow foam. Zoom Zoom, where is this CMA place located??
Old Pirate
10-23-2008, 06:00 PM
Classic Motoring Accessories, 7717 Anderson Rd , Tampa, fl 33634
ABQDetailer
10-23-2008, 06:05 PM
I would pick up a different heavy compound while you are there. M105 isn`t the end all of compounds. There have been a few C&B`s where it didn`t produce desired results. Every paint is a different challenge when you are seeking perfection.
Pick up a PTG while you`re there! :)
Wish I could drive to CMA. Actually I`m glad I can`t! ;)