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Matth3w
09-13-2008, 10:19 PM
Here is the deal...



I had SpoiledMan detail my car a while back, and let me just say he does a FANTASTIC job. Unfortunately I was driving the Vette to Tucson when we got hit with an unexpected monsoon that nearly flooded the road. I lost all traction and hydroplaned off the road and into a ditch.



Well, the entire car is being repainted (this happened a couple weeks ago) and I am supposed to get it back early this coming week. The problem I foresee is that I doubt this body shop pulled the car out after each panel and checked it in the sun.



They say they have a lot of experience doing cars but I`m skeptical. Really, I should wait to worry or be upset until after I pick up the car, but that`s just my personality (to worry ahead of time).



What I`m hoping to find is a perfect explanation as to what buffer holograms are caused by with pictures before and after on black cars in sunlight to show to them if the car is jacked up immediately when I pick up the car...



In other words, I need a great amount of information and pictures to show them the job they did (if it is indeed bad) warrants a refund so I can take a drive out to Cali to have Spoiled Man work on my car again.



What better place than Autopia for that information?



UPDATE:



I just picked up my car for the second time this morning, get home (73+ mile drive) and look. TERRIBLE. They did a complete repaint of the car when I wrecked it. It took about six weeks to get it back the first time. To no fault of their own it had to be brought back up for more work (someone backed into my front bumper, but the front bumper needed repainting anyhow due to the fact that the insurance company made us use a remanufactured the first time)...however there were some imperfections in the paint that was their fault and had to be fixed, and the rear bumper started cracking about two weeks after I had it. Four weeks later it`s "done" (again). I gave it a pretty good look at the shop but still evidently overlooked a lot of points (or light was playing a trick on me at the shop). Get it back home, again, and it looks like ****. Someone scratched the heck out of the driver`s mirror with a cable or something (the part that faces the inside of the car). The front bumper they just repainted has several huge scratches not to mention you can see where they buffed up and down and left and right (the actual marks, as if you were vacuuming your house). There is overspray on my windshield (that I saw at the shop but mistook it for just a dirty windshield), overspray on the front of my driver`s door, clearcoat (?) drops or something that is rough but won`t come off on the driver`s door in about 15 places, overspray on the driver`s quarter panel, and the rear bumper I can see the scratch marks from the wool pad. It looks like the sides of my rear bumper were buffed with a Brillo pad. I also have a huge buff mark about midway under the driver`s door that is about 4 inches long where it looks like a 300lb person leaned into the buffer.



This is all after I paid extra over the top of what the insurance company paid when I wrecked it to have "extra" clear coats and "better" buffing job.



I`m so sick of this BS I seriously don`t think I even want the car anymore. It`s gotten to the point where there are so few competent people out there without a reasonable distance that can work on my car that if anything happens it`s months and thousands of dollars later before I can get it looking the way I want, which is just "normal." I shouldn`t see holograms in the paint. I shouldn`t see overspray.



I know I`m an adult, and I know it`s "no big deal" but I`m seriously borderline tears with this damn car. Why is it so hard to find someone that knows *** they are doing when it comes to paint/body/buffing work?

Matth3w
09-13-2008, 10:23 PM
If anyone is wondering why I am so paranoid it`s because I had spent over a grand in trying to get a detailer worth a crap before I met SpoiledMan trying to get buffer trails out of the car.



Usually when I tell someone (including body shops) that I`m concerned about those trails/holograms in my paint they think I mean something else and have no idea what I`m talking about.



I try to explain that you never see a black car at a dealership with those marks, but they just don`t get it. Plus it`s hard to get good pictures of them.

uzj100
09-13-2008, 10:38 PM
Ha! I know what you mean. Here`s my black Porsche after a trip to the body shop. I needed to have the lower rear plastic "bumper" wrap around re-painted. That was all, but the body shop thought it would be a good idea to just run the heavy wool pad up a little higher on the car!



Here`s how I got it from the body shop



http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p4/uzj100/DSC_0175.jpg



And after I corrected it with SIP and 106FA



http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p4/uzj100/DSC_0038.jpg



Hope yours needs no corrections!

Scottwax
09-13-2008, 10:52 PM
Make sure you explain to the shop you will be checking the entire car in the full sun for rotary holograms and you will not accept the car if they have left any. Make sure your insurance company is aware of that too. That might not ensure perfection but odds are they will put their best guy on it to buff it out. Hopefully.

uzj100
09-13-2008, 11:02 PM
Yeah, Scott. Hopefully is the operative word. In my case, it was a self inflicted wound, so I didn`t have much choice. The "I`ll be going over it with a fine tooth comb" seems not to matter to most of today`s "top" body shops. Either that or their combs don`t have many teeth to begin with =)



It`s pathetic the work ethic that seems to be the "norm" these days. Just pathetic

nrengle
09-13-2008, 11:07 PM
I feel your pain. My Civic SI is about to go in thanks to a semi hitting it on a tight turn (my car was parked on the street legally, he swung wide clipped it on the end of the turn). I have swirls in parts that I was planning on removing the next day actually (Autogeek order just came a day prior). So now I have to wait for the shop, and I don`t want to them to touch any other part of the car besides what they have to replace, paint, and blend...



Lucky for me Showroom Shine from the Autogeek board is going to help me out with some tips afterwards so I can straighten it out.

Matth3w
09-13-2008, 11:40 PM
My problem is, I have no idea how to correct that **** myself. Landcruiser you did an excellent job on your Carrera!

Matth3w
09-13-2008, 11:42 PM
Make sure you explain to the shop you will be checking the entire car in the full sun for rotary holograms and you will not accept the car if they have left any. Make sure your insurance company is aware of that too. That might not ensure perfection but odds are they will put their best guy on it to buff it out. Hopefully.



Two things...



1) The insurance company has no say in the matter because a) I paid extra for extra clear coat and extra detail, and more importantly 2) this body shop was MY choice not the insurance company so I have no recourse if it sucks. However, the body shop the insurance company uses SUCKS. I wouldn`t take my pedal bike to that place.



2) I already told them I will be checking it in the sun. That being said, the body shop is about 70 miles away and I`m going to have to pick it up most likely at night. So I will have to go back to them if the next day it looks like crap in the sun.

Matth3w
09-13-2008, 11:51 PM
Can those holograms be easily removed with a PC and kit from Autogeek? Like a caveman could do it sort of thing?

uzj100
09-14-2008, 12:04 AM
Can those holograms be easily removed with a PC and kit from Autogeek? Like a caveman could do it sort of thing?



Why not have Spoiled Man check it out--assuming it`s not up to your specs?



I used a rotary (Metabo) on mine, however, mine could have been worked with a PC,though perhaps the correction would not have been quite what I would like it to be.



And of course it would depend on how hard your clear is etc.



HTH

Matth3w
09-14-2008, 12:06 AM
Well I love Spoiled Man`s work but he lives in LA and I live in Southern AZ. I might have to take a trip out to see him if need be. Mine doesn`t have to be perfect - it`s a daily driver so I know it`s going to get fine scratches over a period of time because it`s simply not a garage queen and I don`t always have a full time to do it "perfect" when I wash. But those holograms drive me NUTS.

Lumadar
09-14-2008, 12:20 AM
I wouldn`t pick the car up without a nice sunny day at your back. Especially if you have to drive that far each way.



Can you try and arrange a Saturday mid-day pickup?

Matth3w
09-14-2008, 12:23 AM
No. I am in a really important course right now until the 24th and I only have this rental until Wednesday.

Lumadar
09-14-2008, 12:50 AM
Well, you`re in a tight spot. You need to find a way to have SOMEONE go there and get the car during the day that can identify holograms.

Matth3w
09-14-2008, 12:52 AM
I`ve got someone that can go if it gets done Monday or Tuesday but I`m assed out otherwise.