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WarrenA
06-28-2003, 12:25 AM
I am having a little problem with blushing on black or very dark colors with the polimer finish that I am using ( I don`t want to use the brand name because I don`t know if it is a finish problem or if I am to blame with an improper procedure) I don`t use carnauba wax any more as it doesn`t last long enough. I usually hand wash clay bar then use a machine to apply the finish and use the machine with a different pad to remove the finish. I am getting a great shine with the machine. If I hand detail around creases and door handles after I use the machine I can see the areas and have to run the machine back on the areas to catch up the shine. Has anyone had a simullar problem? What brand of finish do you use if you don`t have the blushing? I am being driven crazy with this problem (not a far drive). I contacted the company and they were of little/no help. HELP
By `blushing` do you mean hazing or smearing?
WarrenA
06-28-2003, 12:37 PM
I would say that it is a combination of both. The finish always has a little smear effect, but that usually disappears after the first wash. It says on the bottle that it is a "breatheable" finish, so I usually atributed that to the smear. The combination of the smear and the haze is very visable.
For me, the single most important change I made in my procedures was to go 100% microfiber. Cotton towels always smeared the wax and quick detailers on my dark cars. I get absolutely no streaks using MF towels. They are truly an amazing boon to those working on dark cars.
WarrenA
06-28-2003, 08:37 PM
I tried a microfiber towel today and it did help but there was still some smearing. the vehicle I did today may not have been a very good test subject. The car was a repainted about a year ago. I want to try it on a factory painted vehicle before I pass any judgement. I did improve the gloss of the car noticeably
Cujo31
06-28-2003, 09:31 PM
Only time I have seen that is when I was using Klasse. Of course I was using too much, instead of a nickle size I used a quarter size not thinking that would maek a diff ... boy was I wrong :( My guess would be maybe a little bit too much or being buffed in a little too long?
What product are you using? I`ve used Klasse, UPP, Poorboys, Cherry Wet Wax and Griots on my cars and I haven`t had any problems. Maybe you`re using the wrong stuff. Also, I notice you go right from clay to the product. A nice polish like Poorboys Pro might get that surface prepped for a streak-free sealant job. Could well be it. In fact, that is probably the problem. Polishing removes all the old products and gives you a clean slate for your final wax or sealant.
WarrenA
06-29-2003, 12:06 AM
I have been useing a product called Wizards Shine Master Polish and breathable sealant. acording to the label it is recommended as a wax replacement, swirl mark remover, finishing glaze by hand or machine. contains no wax or free silicones. I use it as a final sealant I usually use about 1 to 1 1/4 oz of finish when I use myDeWalt sander/polisher I set about 4000 opm to apply and then boost it to 6800opm with a fresh pad to remove and give a real nice shine It has to be a very large 4x4 4 dr pickup for me to use 2 oz of finish
I`ve heard of it...it didn`t score very well in The Guru`s Wax Test Report
PS this is the "example test" they posted on their site, so before anyone says I`m giving away info, I`m not.
http://www.gurureports.org/images/wizardsonly.1.gif
WarrenA
06-29-2003, 12:48 AM
I am going to look up this wax test report Thank You
sammycastagna
06-29-2003, 07:29 AM
Did they test Platinum?
Sammy Castagna
They are in the process of doing "The Wax Test II" Platinum is in this test
WarrenA
06-29-2003, 10:03 PM
I looked at a Barnes and Noble book store and no copys there. Is this wax test report worth having?
Originally posted by WarrenA
I looked at a Barnes and Noble book store and no copys there. Is this wax test report worth having?
It`s on-line only...and yes it`s definately worth it
Thomasfl
07-02-2003, 09:54 AM
you might have a problem with your finish glaze and this wax working together. Make sure the polish you are using doesn`t have any fillers. As previously mentioned Poorboy`s Pro Polish, Ultimate Platinum Cleaner, AIO, and Vanilla Moose should all prep the surface fine for a sealant.
Also that sealant is a cleaner sealant, which means it is probably removing some of your polish anyways. Think you might want to move on to a new product. UPP and EX are great sealants.