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imported_d00t
07-16-2008, 09:59 PM
So I`ve been detailing as a side business now for almost 2 years, just to keep my hobby afloat. Recently I decided to make something more of it and became more interested in making it a full time job. Well, about three months ago I met a guy whos car I detailed, and he was so impressed with me and my services that he offered to help me out with whatever I needed.



As I have no capital to start with, I needed someone to help with funding my business, and he actually OFFERED this to me, rather than me asking. It seemed too good to be true, but I kept talking to him about it. Sure enough, in a month or so I`ll be getting my first few grand to really build up my business.



I have a few of the essentials such as a metabo, menzerna polishes, CCS pads, lusso oro, and your basics for everything else including a pressure washer, towels, etc. I don`t feel like listing every product I have, but it`s enough to get my side business going, but I want to turn this into "the real deal" and here`s where I`m thinking of starting with the first few grand:



Infaratech, more menzerna polishes, some good swissvax/zymol waxes, more pads and towels, maybe the swissvax master kit, cr spotless, some good interior cleaners/protectants (in case customer doesn`t want to pay for the swissvax stuff).



What else should I add to my list? I know $3k or so isn`t a TON in detailing.. but what`s your input? Also, the marketing he`s taking care of as far as creating the business cards, getting me my domain, and that stuff.



Forgot to add, located in the SF Bay Area



Any input is greatly appreciated!





Aaron (ACDetailing)

Legacy
07-16-2008, 10:12 PM
Can you use and do you have a rotary? What if you run into a detail that requires a rotary. What if your Metabo craps out, do you have a back up? Not trying to burst your bubble, but some things to think about.

imported_d00t
07-16-2008, 10:34 PM
The metabo is a rotary, and I`m getting pretty good at using it. I have a PC 7424 as well :).

Legacy
07-16-2008, 10:38 PM
Well if you feel the Metabo can tackle the tough jobs I wish you the best of luck on your new venture.

imported_d00t
07-16-2008, 10:52 PM
I`m not going against your word, I`m just stating what I was told. If you have insight as to what would be a better polisher, please chime in. I`m not discounting your word at all, just misunderstood your statement!

imported_advs1
07-16-2008, 10:56 PM
i has a hitachi and works great.



that is an awesome opportunity you have been given, make the most of it. i wouldn`t spend too much money on high end stuff as most customers wont want to pay for it since they aren`t aware of the value. i would stick with good product and maybe a few higher end ones.

Legacy
07-16-2008, 11:06 PM
I`m not going against your word, I`m just stating what I was told. If you have insight as to what would be a better polisher, please chime in. I`m not discounting your word at all, just misunderstood your statement!

I cant comment on the Metabo as I have no experience with that polisher. If you have corrected lets say a Vette with a lot of swrils with the Metabo within a resonable time then I think youve got yourself covered. If on the other hand it takes you all day instead of a few hours then you are losing money. I dont know your abilities only you know what you can accomplish. Im sure your investor has faith in your abilities or he would not front the money. Be sure to have a solid contract so there is no misunderstanding in the future. Again, the best of luck to you.

imported_d00t
07-16-2008, 11:08 PM
What I was thinking about getting. Made this for my investor too. Would you take out the swissvax collection to save money? I wanted to get that for those customers who wanted to spend the extra buck for the top of the line, as we are working out deals with higher end dealers in our area, as well as I have good friends who know CEOs etc, who wouldn`t mind paying for for the expensive stuff. Let me know if I`m heading in the right direction...



Infaratech 5300- $150

CR Spotless DIC-10- $350

Optimum No Rinse- $40

P21s Auto Wash- $20

3M Backing Plate- $60

CCS 5.5inch pads- $50

CCS 6.5inch pads- $50

CCS Purple Foamed Wool Pad- $10

Menzerna PowerGloss Compound- $30

Menzerna 106fa- $50

Swissvax Master Collection w/ Mystery- $1160

Swissvax Concorso- $240

Ace Powerstick- $273

P21s Wheel Cleaner- $23

Wheel Brush- $25

Black WOW- $25

CG Bare Bones- $30

CG CWG- $20

CG Grime Reaper- $20

CG JETseal109- $40

CG 5050- $50

Aztec Hot Water Extractor- $620

50 16x16 Microfibers- $150

10 24x36 MF Drying-$160

25 Glass towels- $74

10 Foam Applicators- $40

2x Boars hair brush- $50

Zymol duster- $40

Zymol Glasur- $101

Cam spray pressure washer+foamer- $855

PrideSS
07-17-2008, 12:24 AM
Is this guy taking a cut, or just lending you the money?

If its the latter, it does sound to good to be true .



How do you know you will be getting the money in a month?



I would strongly advise you to write up some kind of contract, form an LLC and don`t forget about insurance. If your partner is providing the funds, doing the marketing and advertising and creating the website, than I imagine you are somewhat disposable.



Good luck!

dmw2692004
07-17-2008, 12:33 AM
drop the swissvax, find a carpet extractor. Pick up a few tubs of p21s 100%.



Your customers are not going to know the difference about the swissvax vs the p21s 100%, so its not gonna be worth bragging to them that you are using a wax that costs half a years insurance for them.



edit: how are you only spending 100 dollars on pads all together? :confused:



i spend well over 140 on just 7.5 inch pads :confused:

EcoAutoCT
07-17-2008, 04:44 AM
Personally, I think you aren`t looking at this the right way.



Broadening your supply of products isn`t necessarily going to increase your business. Think of the money, if you get it, as a business loan and use more of it towards the business rather than the details. If it were me, I`d probably stop at $500-$750 in supplies and put the rest into licensing/registration, insurance, and advertising. You say you`ve got most of the high dollar equipment already purchased- so you`ve got that going for you.



Also leave yourself a safety net, just because you get $3000 doesn`t mean you need to spend all $3000. What are the terms of repayment? What happens if you drop $2999 on polishes, pads, and towels but don`t pull in any clients or make any money?

dublifecrisis
07-17-2008, 08:20 AM
I don`t do this professionally, but I got a similar offer from a friend in the car business. i did 2 of his cars that were for sale and he offered the funding for whatever I needed. I was like "whoa, step back a second". Good to know for later but i wasn`t ready to quit my `day job`.





I agree that, you don`t need to rack up products, especially chemicals. I DO think you need supplies such as towels, pads, extractor, PW, brushes etc but I would limit the chemical products to ones that work for you and buy them in bulk. Stay away from the overpriced boutique stuff and stock up stuff that works, easy to use, good results etc.



good luck! sounds like a good opportunity

imported_d00t
07-17-2008, 11:12 AM
I work in a bank right now, and I have two business bankers working with me right now to help get the ball rolling on everything from contracts, to licensing, to insurance, to permits etc. So that area is covered.



As far as the funding goes. He, much like myself, is part of the on-going gamble of high-risk high-return investments. My company (hell, any detail company) is pretty much high risk/return. The potential is out there, and it`s definitely up for grabs, but it`s how I go about doing so that will make the difference in if I get the business to me. So once he lends me the money, I don`t have a certain time to pay it back, because we`re both in it for the long term, not to make a quick buck, because it just won`t happen in detailing. So it`s going to come down to a certain percentage of what I make, he gets. He`ll continue to fund, so the business continues to grow (theoretically) eventually going full mobile with a van `n all. But we`re starting off slow.



As far as "quitting my day job".. not! Got bills to pay for and the business isn`t stable enough. I figure I`ll start off as the business working around my day job and school. Then as it grows, cutting my hours at work, until eventually I don`t need the job, and I can go full time school/detailing.



The pads: I just put the kits in there. I already have a fair amount of pads at home.



Chemicals: So I`ll completely drop the swissvax, that`s $1200. But I do believe I still need most of those chemicals. If not, what would you guys recommend I take out/replace/keep?



Also, I do agree that I need a cushion, but I just got excited and carried away I guess!



Keep it coming guys, I`m loving the input!



Aaron

walnuts
07-17-2008, 11:14 AM
I agree with dmw - drop the Swissvax.



The most important pieces of equipment are carpet extractor, steamer, back up rotary, generator, water tank etc.



Also use some money for marketing materials - website, bus cards, logo, shirts, fliers, letterhead.



Menzerna, P21s, Swissvax are all good products but will give you less margin if your prices are not high enough. Also... contact Dr. G over at Optimum and get an account setup.



Best of luck!

imported_d00t
07-17-2008, 11:53 AM
I agree with dmw - drop the Swissvax.



The most important pieces of equipment are carpet extractor, steamer, back up rotary, generator, water tank etc.



Also use some money for marketing materials - website, bus cards, logo, shirts, fliers, letterhead.



Menzerna, P21s, Swissvax are all good products but will give you less margin if your prices are not high enough. Also... contact Dr. G over at Optimum and get an account setup.



Best of luck!



Good point. I do have a PC if worse comes to worse with the metabo. Also, I don`t have a generator or water tank, etc. yet because i`m not gong full mobile probably until the end of the year or so. Also, the steamers I found are like $1k is that about normal for a steamer? I found the aztec extractors for like $620 which is somewhat reasonable. I`ll look at the optimum products, thanks!



Aaron