Is it possible to remove all fine cowebbing on black cars?

[Rover06]

Hello,



Is it possible to remove all those fine cowebbing scratches seen on black cars in direct sunlight. The reason I`m asking is because I own a 06 Range Rover and last year I polished my Rover after purchasing DA polisher,polish, educating myself on best practices, practiced on other cars before attempting my Rover. After polishing my Rover there was a huge difference from before and after but I never really removed all those fine scratches that show up in direct sunlight. It seems like some of the detailers on this board seem to achieve a perfect finish. Can those fine scratches that only show up in direct sunlight be removed or not. I love to have a perfect finish!



Thanks

[NSXTASY]

Of course. Though using a DA (PC/UDM) it will require hard work and determination for a "perfect" finish. What polishes are you using?



Once you achieve the finish you seek, proper washing techniques are essential to keeping those "fine cobwebbing scratches" at bay.

[Ignition]

You can if there is enough clearcoat left.

Even cheap PTG will be very helpful and can save a lot of headache. (mine already did save me from possible respray)

[CleanGSR]

It`s definately possible. I just polished them out of my black car. 8 years old daily driven year round including harsh winters. With the PC, you just have to have patience and the right combo for your paint.

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c298/B16Vtec/cars/Integra/2008-03-01_5.jpg



The problem is that it`s pretty much impossible to keep the 100% at bay. I`m really careful with washing (2 bucket) but still seem to get the really minor swirls after a few months of daily driving. Of course they are so minor that a quick pass of poliseal (about 1-2 hours) will usually bring it back up to par.

[imported_Detailing Technology]

Not only possible, but enjoyable....



http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j246/justindoria/07%20Jeep/rear.jpg





http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j246/justindoria/07%20Jeep/tail2.jpg





http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j246/justindoria/06%20Saab/saab57.jpg





http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j246/justindoria/06%20Saab/saab14.jpg





http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j246/justindoria/06%20Saab/pass14close.jpg

[Rover06]

Wow, that jeep and car by jsatek and the others look great. That`s exactly what I wish I could achieve with my Rover. It`s funny that most people I talk to say it is impossible to remove all those tiny little scratches but seeing is believing and I knew from the threads on this board there was autopias that can do it.



My car probably looks like that on a cloudy day, but when the sun hits it directly your eyes can see those tiny pesty scratches.



Here`s the products I used last year to polish the Rover.



Porter Cable DA Polisher

PoorBoys`s SSR2.5 w Orange LC pad

Menzerna Finishing Polish II w White LC pad



Top with ClearKote Red Moose

S100



When I was finished I still had those little scracthes. Maybe there is some kind of technique I could use to try to achieve perfection or a way to determine if it is even possible with my Rover. Maybe I just seeing deeper scratches now?



What would be really nice if I could find a Expert Autopia in the Northern California area that I could pay to do 1 panel and take notes.

[Rover06]

Wow, that jeep and car by jsatek and the others look great. That`s exactly what I wish I could achieve with my Rover. It`s funny that most people I talk to say it is impossible to remove all those tiny little scratches but seeing is believing and I knew from the threads on this board there was autopias that can do it.



My car probably looks like that on a cloudy day, but when the sun hits it directly your eyes can see those tiny pesty scratches.



Here`s the products I used last year to polish the Rover.



Porter Cable DA Polisher

PoorBoys`s SSR2.5 w Orange LC pad

Menzerna Finishing Polish II w White LC pad



Top with ClearKote Red Moose

S100



When I was finished I still had those little scracthes. Maybe there is some kind of technique I could use to try to achieve perfection or a way to determine if it is even possible with my Rover. Maybe I just seeing deeper scratches now?



What would be really nice if I could find a Expert Autopia in the Northern California area that I could pay to do 1 panel and take notes.

[Todd@RUPES]

Sure you can get Range Rover`s perfect (as well as black :D )



http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x121/tropicaldetailing/rrovergreg/a045.jpg



http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x121/tropicaldetailing/rrovergreg/a031.jpg



http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x121/tropicaldetailing/rrovergreg/a029.jpg



http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x121/tropicaldetailing/rrovergreg/a025.jpg



http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x121/tropicaldetailing/rrovergreg/a023.jpg



http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x121/tropicaldetailing/rrovergreg/a029.jpg



http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x121/tropicaldetailing/rrovergreg/a030.jpg



It is hard to do with a PC because a Range Rover has VERY soft paint. The PC works by ossilating, which doesn`t break down the abbrasives in the polish evenly or uniformily. This can cause micro marring on soft paint, as the uneven breakdown means that the polish is doing different things because the abbrasives are all different in terms of cut.



Certain paints (Maserati/Infiniti come to mind) require a high speed direct drive rotary, as well as a very experienced user to get the finish flawless.

[Todd@RUPES]

Wow, that jeep and car by jsatek and the others look great. That`s exactly what I wish I could achieve with my Rover. It`s funny that most people I talk to say it is impossible to remove all those tiny little scratches but seeing is believing and I knew from the threads on this board there was autopias that can do it.



My car probably looks like that on a cloudy day, but when the sun hits it directly your eyes can see those tiny pesty scratches.



Here`s the products I used last year to polish the Rover.



Porter Cable DA Polisher

PoorBoys`s SSR2.5 w Orange LC pad

Menzerna Finishing Polish II w White LC pad



Top with ClearKote Red Moose

S100



When I was finished I still had those little scracthes. Maybe there is some kind of technique I could use to try to achieve perfection or a way to determine if it is even possible with my Rover. Maybe I just seeing deeper scratches now?



What would be really nice if I could find a Expert Autopia in the Northern California area that I could pay to do 1 panel and take notes.



The problem is the white pad. As I stated earlier (previous post) the osiclatting action of the DA combined with the pad and EXTREMELY soft paint has left micromarring in your paints delicate finish. Try finising using an LC Gray or Meguiars 9006 finishing pad as see if that improves the micromarring.

[Rover06]

Ok, Thanks for the advice. Yes i did noticed the paint was soft. I will try with the LC gray pad. I see how things go and in a few weeks. I remember seeing the Rover pic in a write-up. After seeing how it looked, it triggered me to start this post to improve my Rover to that level.

[Rover06]

I just thought of something. I remember polishing a section of my rover and lthen ooking at it under halogen lights. It looked perfect, but once I applied the ClearKote Red Moose and wax with a yellow application pad I notice it was no longer perfect. Could I be causing the problem with the application of the LSP or does the LSP allow me to see them.

[pampos]

Yes you can do it.I had the same problem with my Honda before buying UDM.It also have soft paint so you have to be careful with the glaze or wax that you will use.

http://autopia.org/forum/detailing-product-discussion/



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[imported_dazzerjp]

It`s definately possible. I just polished them out of my black car. 8 years old daily driven year round including harsh winters. With the PC, you just have to have patience and the right combo for your paint.

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c298/B16Vtec/cars/Integra/2008-03-01_5.jpg



The problem is that it`s pretty much impossible to keep the 100% at bay. I`m really careful with washing (2 bucket) but still seem to get the really minor swirls after a few months of daily driving. Of course they are so minor that a quick pass of poliseal (about 1-2 hours) will usually bring it back up to par.





nice car. wheels look cool too. I love the integra logo embedded into the rear bumper.

[imported_DieselMDX]

i am thinking of getting a black vehicle after my mdx, cars look great guys

[CleanGSR]

nice car. wheels look cool too. I love the integra logo embedded into the rear bumper.



Thanks. Yeah, I like the integra logo too, but sometimes a pain to get all the sealant/wax out of there.




i am thinking of getting a black vehicle after my mdx, cars look great guys



I doubt I`ll ever own a black vehicle after this one. It`s just been such a headache. I think I`ve been ruined by having it as a daily driver combined with soft clear.