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Alfisti
01-30-2008, 09:59 AM
I ask whether Moose Wax is a better AIO than Klasse AIO after using it for the first time today. I *think* it might be. ;)



I bought a bottle from Danase some time back but only tested it today. I wondered why I bought it as I didn`t think it would fit into my arsenal, thinking it was simply another cleaner wax. But then it dawned on me that it might be chemically strong enough to be ClearKote`s answer to KAIO! (CK website says it doesn`t contain abrasives so I`m assuming it`s corrective abilities are chemical. :nixweiss )



BTW, I`m talking about this: http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/yhst-36459273653932_1984_29303329 Not this: http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/yhst-36459273653932_1984_29125227



Well, I was right! :heelclick



The paint on my RAV is very soft black s/s and had been polished and clayed a few months ago. The only imperfections it had was some light water-spotting from a bore-water sprinkler my male-parental-unit uses without warning me :angry , some bird-bomb etching and a few random scratches and stone chips. As I said, my paint is very soft. Apart from the water-spotting and tiny tiny roughness on some of the hood, it was pretty contaminant free.



Well, how strong are the cleaners in MW? Have a look at the blue pad on a near perfect s/s paint (I used about 1oz of MW on the whole car):



http://www.autopia.org/gallery/data/500/Moose_Wax_006.jpg



The results:



http://www.autopia.org/gallery/data/500/Moose_Wax_002.jpg



http://www.autopia.org/gallery/data/500/Moose_Wax_008.jpg



http://www.autopia.org/gallery/data/500/Moose_Wax_003.jpg



http://www.autopia.org/gallery/data/500/Moose_Wax_009.jpg



http://www.autopia.org/gallery/data/500/Moose_Wax_010.jpg



http://www.autopia.org/gallery/data/500/Moose_Wax_004.jpg



MW thoroughly cleaned the paint of all water-spotting and roughness. It`s chemical cleaners were strong enough to remove most bird-bomb etching and reduce the appearance of many scratches. If I`d used a stronger pad - like white or green - I`m sure it would`ve removed more of the deeper scratches and all the etching on my paint.



I feel it`s main advantage over KAIO is its very long work time and sun-friendlyness. KAIO isn`t strong in these areas. It`s also much easier to remove than KAIO. Unlike the instructions, I left it to dry before removing and it wiped off in a cinche without grabbiness. It was like wiping dust. It didn`t stain trim - in fact it cleaned it (like KAIO). As a bonus, it removed old wax residue from stone chips and deep scratches that I couldn`t remove other ways.



In many ways it was almost a copy of KAIO in its abilities, only a lot easier to use, which is saying something since KAIO is quite user-friendly.



It also left the black paint with a lovely carnauba look. It really darkened the paint with a nice deep wetness that doesn`t look synthetic. I don`t know if it`s actually a carnauba wax but it sure looks it. After a few hours it felt very slick...not quite KAIO slickness but very nice. Durability? Watch this space.



MW is a real sleeper and I`m suprised that, given the decent exposure of CK products on this forum, it`s not more popular or hasn`t been *discovered* yet.



So, is MW better than KAIO? I would say a qualified `YES" as far as my paint was concerned. It`s about equal in it`s cleaning ability but easier to use and sun-friendly. In my books that`s a `YES`.



Has anyone else had experience with MW?



Here`s what CK website states about it:



For That Truly Deep Wet Look Wax Shine



1. An excellent cleaner/wax used to remove oxidation from all paint, plastic and fiberglass surfaces.



2. Removes grime and road film.



3. Easy to apply and easy to remove. Goes on wet, comes off wet. Will not leave a white residue between seams or around emblems.



4. Can be applied in direct sunlight.



5. Cleans vinyl upholstery.



6. Brings fiberglass gel coat back to original luster.



7. Restores air dams and plastic pieces to original luster.



8. Prevents love bugs from penetrating through paint and into primer.



9. Used to remove scratches and finish out new paint jobs.



10. Contains no silicones, Teflon, alcohol or abrasives.



11. Recommended Use: Every 90 days.

steelwind101
01-30-2008, 10:15 AM
Hello



MW has intense cleaning abilities! Its very strong, much strong then the post VOC KAIO. It comes up with a deep rich shine, if you want a quaility cleaner wax with `nuba looks then this is the best stuff IMO.



The only one product i consider i let down in the CK range is the Shampoo.



I know there are alot of fans of AIO on here but its not something im all that keen on. It has its place for going before SG as a chemical paintwork claener .Its a product that seems to have gripped the market but to be honest there are so many one steppers and base coats that do so much more.



That work looks great!



Geoff

Scottwax
01-30-2008, 10:24 AM
Moose Wax is a pretty good one step product that leaves a wet shine. Durability is stated as 90 days and that seems about right, at least in the reasonably wax friendly Dallas enviroment. I mostly use it on door jambs and wheels. I also use it to remove tar since it does that very well and leaves protection behind.

Alfisti
01-30-2008, 11:36 AM
Hello



MW has intense cleaning abilities! Its very strong, much strong then the post VOC KAIO. It comes up with a deep rich shine, if you want a quaility cleaner wax with `nuba looks then this is the best stuff IMO.

I have the pre-VOC KAIO. So the post-VOC has milder cleaning?



As you can see, I really like this stuff. I`ll probably be reaching for it more than KAIO. And yes, looks great.

Alfisti
01-30-2008, 11:42 AM
Moose Wax is a pretty good one step product that leaves a wet shine. Durability is stated as 90 days and that seems about right, at least in the reasonably wax friendly Dallas enviroment. I mostly use it on door jambs and wheels. I also use it to remove tar since it does that very well and leaves protection behind.

So do you use KAIO anymore?



90 days is great for a cleaner wax. Probably last longer in Perth. Perth is VERY wax-friendly...no acid rain for 1000`s of Kms (*when it rains*...so far 45 days no rain and counting). Closest is Melbourne on the east coast, about 5000 kms.



Soon to receive Carnauba Moose...how does CM looks compare to MW?

steelwind101
01-30-2008, 03:23 PM
I have the pre-VOC KAIO. So the post-VOC has milder cleaning?



As you can see, I really like this stuff. I`ll probably be reaching for it more than KAIO. And yes, looks great.



Hello



Yes it does clean less. It was once the oxidation eater of choice but i dont think its so good any more. A few others have commented on this also.



CM is a warm, deep. It seems to have weird sheeting/beading abilities. It looks like it should be failing but the squeek test proves its still protecting. A must for solid colours!



Geoff

DM101
01-30-2008, 06:04 PM
Scottwax, you use CMW mostly right?




Moose Wax is a pretty good one step product that leaves a wet shine. Durability is stated as 90 days and that seems about right, at least in the reasonably wax friendly Dallas enviroment. I mostly use it on door jambs and wheels. I also use it to remove tar since it does that very well and leaves protection behind.

imported_ChrisNJ
01-30-2008, 06:15 PM
I just revisited cmw and forgot how much I really like it. I think everyone gets so caught up in these high dollar products that they forget they really arent that much better than some of the less expensive stuff out there.

Scottwax
01-30-2008, 06:49 PM
So do you use KAIO anymore?



90 days is great for a cleaner wax. Probably last longer in Perth. Perth is VERY wax-friendly...no acid rain for 1000`s of Kms (*when it rains*...so far 45 days no rain and counting). Closest is Melbourne on the east coast, about 5000 kms.



Soon to receive Carnauba Moose...how does CM looks compare to MW?



I haven`t used KAIO since Werkstatt came out with Prime, which I much prefer as a sealant base. Moose Wax has more cleaning power though but I am not sure how suitable it is for a sealant base. Works well with carnaubas though.



Carnauba Moose has a deeper appearance and a nice darkening effect. I use it a lot more than Souveran even. :)

Pennypacker
01-31-2008, 02:54 AM
Thanks Alfisti for the review. I have to stock up on RMG soon...may have to add MW to the list as well.



Gotta love the ease of use you get with Clearkote--seems to be a common theme across their whole product line.

Alfisti
01-31-2008, 07:31 AM
Thanks Pennypacker. I`m gaining a new respect for ClearKote.



I`m still suprised, considering its cleaning power and ease of use, that Moose Wax isn`t more popular. Real shame. :(