I`m a beginner Detailing in the sun, can I use Menzerna

[newbiebimmer]

Hi guys,



I`ve read a few hundred threads and just am now addicted!



I`m actually having spoiledman come over next week to detail one of my cars (can`t decide which one yet, but I think the white Q7) but more importantly to really teach me how to detail/paint correct/polish/remove swirls etc.



To that end, I`m buying all my equipment, and I already ahve the ultima starter kit. I`m pretty sure ultima pgp is the product for me as I want less work, more results :)



I am though going to chemical guys and i have a whole list of things to buy including a UDM quick detailers, pads, etc.



Getting to my question is that I DO NOT have a garage, and park my cars in the driveway. I want to be able to detail my cars, as well as when I go to my parents/brothers/friends and help them fix up their cars.



I was going to order the Menzerna IP and Nano, but want to get everyone`s advice on which polishes. These seem like the best all arounds, but as a beginner and having to do my details in my driveway with no sun protection, is it going to be a nightmare?



Or should I spend even more money and get a popup canopy? If so, where?



Ideally I`d like to find one that is beginner friendly and sun friendly.

Thanks!

[MikeWinLDS]

The sun is bad, bad, bad. Invest in a portable car canopy, woo!



http://www.ezup.com/products/images/dome2sm.jpg (http://www.ezup.com/)

[doc-rice]

If you`re going to get Nano Polish, why not get the Super Intensive Polish instead of the regular Intensive Polish? BTW, I think Poorboy`s stuff you can use in the sun:



http://poorboysworld.com/super-swirl-removers.htm

[stiffdogg06]

Menzerna can dry out fast. If you are strictly working in the sun with barely any shade at all. I would try to get your hands on Optimum/Clearkote. Works great in the sun.



If you do get some shade and such, Menzerna would def. be the way to go.

[Todd@RUPES]

I have used both SIP and 106ff in the direct Miami sun with little affect on performance. Infact, both products (because of thier parrfin wax lubrication) work better with a little heat on them.

[imported_bpfoley]

I highly recommend finding some good shade if using Menzerna. IP will dry out and already dusts a bit when used indoors, I tried only once using in the shade/mild sun and gave up. It was a mess and unworkable.



I do not have experience with Optimum but hear it has long work time. Poorboys on the other hand i have used both indoors and out and it works well. Keep in mind nothing will work perfect in direct sunlight, just OK. Definitely invest in some shade solution. I have a black car and the hint of being out of the garage for polish the paint gets too warm and polishes start to get too finicky.

[littlemissGTO]

Pop up canopy will be your best friend. I would suggest working in smaller sections if you`re in direct sunlight. PoorBoys can be used in the sun (speaking from experience).

[SpoiledMan]

Infact, both products (because of thier parrfin wax lubrication) work better with a little heat on them.



Where does this come from? I understand that to *not* be true.

[newbiebimmer]

If you`re going to get Nano Polish, why not get the Super Intensive Polish instead of the regular Intensive Polish? BTW, I think Poorboy`s stuff you can use in the sun:



poorboysworld.com (http://poorboysworld.com/super-swirl-removers.htm)



Sorry, yes I meant SIP i`m still getting to know all the acronyms and products :)h

[newbiebimmer]

The sun is bad, bad, bad. Invest in a portable car canopy, woo!



http://www.ezup.com/products/images/dome2sm.jpg (http://www.ezup.com/)



ugh, really? what`s the best size and model? 10x10? or larger?

[littlemissGTO]

ugh, really? what`s the best size and model? 10x10? or larger?

10x10 is a very popular size. That`s the one I`m gonna pick up in a few weeks.

[cgage]

You can get some canopies at pep boys and sometimes costco if you need to pick up something local. If not for the car, think of yourself. Spending hours on a detail in the full sun quite frankly sucks.

[MikeWinLDS]

Those EZUp.com ones are pretty expensive now that I look at them, but they might be better quality and construction. But if you want to try one out, you can go to like Wal-Mart and get one of theirs and see how you like the idea of a canopy for your car. They are definately cheaper, don`t know how well they hold up, but Wal-Mart has a gracious return policy, so if you don`t like it you can return it, no hassle with having to order online or shipping it back or anything. Here are some links I found. I think I`ll give the Wal-Mart ones a try in the future first, instead of opting for the cheapest 10x10 EZUp which is $200.



Quik Shade Weekender 10` x 10` Instant Canopy, Blue - Wal-Mart (http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=4433509)

Quik Shade Weekender 12` x 12` Instant Canopy, Blue - Wal-Mart (http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=4433511)

Quik Shade Recreational 12` x 12` Instant Canopy, Blue - Wal-Mart (http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=5223210)

[toml]

I was thinking of going the canopy route (as I have to do all my polishing outside), but someone posted that the smaller canopies are useless unless the sun is directly overhead. There just isn`t enough shade generated by the canopy size to cover the majority of sun angles. That makes sense.



If you do get a canopy, you may need to go more than 10 x 10. And make sure that the legs can be held down on the ground. :)

[Todd@RUPES]

Where does this come from? I understand that to *not* be true.



I`m not going to mention names (you wouldn`t know him anyways) but I have been talking with a gentleman who is developing new polishes.



That said, it makes perfect sense. This is why the Menzerna bleeds out, and swirls/holograms have been reappearing on cars 2-3 months after they have been detailed.



That also makes sense why the Menzerna SRC polishes work well with a lot of heat, or why SIP works better if you work it in first before bringing the RPM up. Menzerna SRC`s feature a ton of fillers, I (as well as very respected others) have seen this occur on more then several occasions.



I`m also curious as to where you information came from to rebute this? I have a couple people who have sworn up and down this is the case (apparently a lot of polishes use a parrfin wax so its not uncommon).