PC with 106ff help please

[mixxer]

my point is there is no reason why he cant achieve the results hes looking for with this product and the proper process!

[ZoranC]

I have done side by side testing and there is a better finish with the rotary than a DA.

If memory (still) serves me correct Dave KG was also posting similar findings on this subject and I think Bence pitched it on it too but with high OPM DAs.

[ZoranC]

Between Zoran and Spoiled Man they have over seven thousand posts on this site alone, but I guess you know better.

I appreciate the compliment but I would like to take the humble road and indicate quantity of my posts can not put me even remotely close to SpoiledMan. In my case it is more indicator of quantity. In SpoiledMan`s case it is not even close of an indicator of quality, otherwise his post count would be way higher. In other words, he is busy actually detailing, not having time to post. I do much less detailing and post more.

[ZoranC]

Just curious...what are some of these other tools?

Other than rotary? High OPM DAs (10000+ OPMs). For example, take a look at Bence`s result with one of them, 12,000 OPM (I hope Bence will forgive me for linking to his picture):



http://www.autopia.org/gallery/data/500/Bence_Camry202.jpg



http://www.autopia.org/gallery/data/500/Bence_Camry142.jpg

[imported_Totoland Mach]

The 106ff and the IP are pretty close in finishing gloss with a rotary IMO.



Here`s a couple of in-process pics of a black BMW 745i that I`m currently working on.



Starting with a representative shot of the finish



http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o212/Totoland/Black745i_Sep07/745i_DoorPanelCloseup.jpg



On to wet sanding bumper and trunk lid



http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o212/Totoland/Black745i_Sep07/745i_RearBumperWetSanded.jpg



Compounded with 3M Extra Cut



http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o212/Totoland/Black745i_Sep07/745i_RearBumperPartialCompounding.jpg



Polished with Menzerna



http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o212/Totoland/Black745i_Sep07/745i_RearAreaCompounded.jpg



I used a DynaBrade rotary on most of the surface area and the Metabo on the tighter areas like the license plate recess.



Toto

[SpoiledMan]

I appreciate the compliment but I would like to take the humble road and indicate quantity of my posts can not put me even remotely close to SpoiledMan. In my case it is more indicator of quantity. In SpoiledMan`s case it is not even close of an indicator of quality, otherwise his post count would be way higher. In other words, he is busy actually detailing, not having time to post. I do much less detailing and post more.





I`m humbled by a guy like RickRack! That guy can polish circles around me.:hifive:

[ptaylor_9849]

Spoiled Man, I`m glad you brought RickRack into this equation. I know him personally and have hired him in the past to correct my corvette. We spent a good deal of time discussing polishing techniques and I can assure you that he also shares the philosophy of heat generated polish breakdown. While we`re on the topic so does another awesome New England professional detailer named Rydawg. Feel free to check out either of their click and brag posts then you be the judge as to whether or not they know their business. I drove hundreds of miles to learn from these two pro`s and it was worth every mile.



Thank you RickRack and Rydawg,



Patrick

[ZoranC]

That guy can polish circles around me.:hifive:

That is possible? :shocked

[imported_grease]

Other than rotary? High OPM DAs (10000+ OPMs). For example, take a look at Bence`s result with one of them, 12,000 OPM (I hope Bence will forgive me for linking to his picture):)Where might one purchase a High OPM DA`s? What are some examples?

[SuperBee364]

Hmmm.. I haven`t read all of the thread, so forgive me if this has already been said...



I have to disagree with the "how much can you expect to improve the shine on a brand new car" discussion. IME, the answer is *alot*. Even straight off the delivery truck, the finish on the majority of brand new cars isn`t even *close* to what can be achieved with a few passes of a high quality finishing polish (such as 106ff), and a rotary with a finishing pad. Factories just don`t have the time (or aren`t willing to spend it) to bring the paint up to it`s full potential. And if the car has already been through "dealer prep", the chances are good that a couple of passes of 106ff will make a *dramatic* difference.

[blkyukon]

OK, I am actually working on a video using SIP and 106FF via PC so here is my take on the whole pc/rotary thing.



While shooting the PC video I decided to shoot a section showing the difference between the PC and Rotary.



Here is the before shot:





http://melncal.com/detailing/pictures/pc_rotary/r_pc_before_01.jpg





Below is after (with one pass of each product) SIP LC orange pad & 106FF LC White pad.



Rotary



SIP - pyramid up to 1500rpm

106ff - pyramid up to 1500rpm





PC



SIP - 6

106ff - 5





Here is a side by side - Left Rotary Right PC (this is after a wipe down with alcohol/water



http://melncal.com/detailing/pictures/pc_rotary/rotary_pc_sidebyside.jpg





Here is crops of each side:



http://melncal.com/detailing/pictures/pc_rotary/rotary_01.jpg





http://melncal.com/detailing/pictures/pc_rotary/pc_01.jpg







Cutting - with one pass of each product the rotary was faster and eliminated more RIDS then the PC - of course.



Finishing - The advantage is to the Rotary again....but only slightly, the PC left the finish just as glossy as the rotary but because of the presence of more RIDS the clarity was better with the rotary.





Here is a video of the two sides:



Rotary & Porter Cable Side by Side (http://melncal.com/detailing/pictures/pc_rotary/)





Now this was on black, but I also did this same thing on metallic blue/gray paint and saw no difference between finishes of the two sides:



http://melncal.com/detailing/pictures/pc_rotary/vw_pc_rotary_01.jpg





http://melncal.com/detailing/pictures/pc_rotary/vw_pc_rotary_02.jpg





My conclusion is a PC can breakdown polishes and does leave a great finish....with proper technique. Is it better than a rotary, no not at all...but with proper techniques this is all an enthusiast will need for normal wear and tear on the paint.

[Gtdrift]

Many thanks for sharing your results.

[SuperBee364]

Those results are great, for sure, but I think they would have come out quite differently on a hard clear coat. A PC couldn`t even touch the clear coat on my Charger.

[mixxer]

wow blkyukon thats really cool,thanks !

[blkyukon]

Those results are great, for sure, but I think they would have come out quite differently on a hard clear coat. A PC couldn`t even touch the clear coat on my Charger.





Actually it`s from GM paint and it`s not too soft, plus the bottom pics are from a VW, which has a even harder clear on it.