Z-PC Hazing when used with a PC+Polishing Pad

[Kewjoe]

I`ve seen the video (Link) (http://paintcare-n-detailing.com/video/). I don`t think I`m using too much product (very thin line in a circle), I`m working until its very translucent. But I keep getting haze!



Step:

Z7 Wash

Clay

Optimum HC and C entire car using LC Orange or Yellow pads

50a/50w wipedown



Now I`m using the white LC pad, i started with a nickle size. That area i used the nickel size, hazed the most. I went over it again with only a thin line and some hazing went away but not all. I`ve since done 3 more parts of the hood and they all have slight haze, and its not the entire panel, just small areas show hazing, while others are fine :doh



Any ideas?

[RAG]

What color is your car? Black?



Without any further information, I`d guess OHC is leaving too deep of marring to be cleaned up by Z-PC. Also, if your car is pure black...I`ll bet Z-PC by itself will leave a slight haze (accumulation of micro-marring); try ZPC on an area you haven`t compounded to find out.



If you have heavy swirls, this would be my process (given the product you have):



1) Compound with OHC and orange pad

2) light compound step with Optimum Compound via white pad

3) Z-PC via white pad (and not too much pressure)



But first try step #3 by itself to make sure it isn`t responsible for some of the haze you see.

[Kewjoe]

Thanks for the reply Rag,



Car is a Red 2004 Nissan Sentra SE-R Spec-V



my hood didn`t see any OHC, just OC. And it didn`t leave any noticable haze when i was done (under two 500watt halogen worklights).



Im applying very light pressure with the Z-PC and white pad.



I don`t have have an area of my car that i didn`t compound :P this was my first time correcting paint on the car, so i did everything.

[imported_DennisH]

Here is what it says on Zaino Website about Z-PC



I used Z-PC and now the paint looks hazy. Is this normal?

Dark color surfaces, especially black, will sometimes leave you with a slightly hazy or milky surface after using Z-PC. Z-PC Fusion does not have any fillers or oils. To make the surface crystal clear, apply your ZFX enabled Z2 or Z5 to make this milky look go away, leaving a perfect, crisp, clear, BLACK and scratch free finish.



http://www.zainostore.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=Z-PC&Category_Code=Zaino



What you are seeing could be normal.

[Bigpoppa3346]

I don`t think the hazing is from the Optimum, as even on the softest of black paints I can go from OHC on a cutting pad to FPII on a polishing pad(via PC). I`d say to just forget using Z-PC and use some other finishing polish that you know works.

[Kewjoe]

Here is what it says on Zaino Website about Z-PC



I used Z-PC and now the paint looks hazy. Is this normal?

Dark color surfaces, especially black, will sometimes leave you with a slightly hazy or milky surface after using Z-PC. Z-PC Fusion does not have any fillers or oils. To make the surface crystal clear, apply your ZFX enabled Z2 or Z5 to make this milky look go away, leaving a perfect, crisp, clear, BLACK and scratch free finish.



http://www.zainostore.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=Z-PC&Category_Code=Zaino



What you are seeing could be normal.



:2thumbs:



Sounds good. I`ll go with this :)



ill wash the pad as well and start fresh to make sure i have the proper amount of product on the pad.



Thanks folks

[mbkintner]

Here is what it says on Zaino Website about Z-PC



I used Z-PC and now the paint looks hazy. Is this normal?

Dark color surfaces, especially black, will sometimes leave you with a slightly hazy or milky surface after using Z-PC. Z-PC Fusion does not have any fillers or oils. To make the surface crystal clear, apply your ZFX enabled Z2 or Z5 to make this milky look go away, leaving a perfect, crisp, clear, BLACK and scratch free finish.



http://www.zainostore.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=Z-PC&Category_Code=Zaino



What you are seeing could be normal.



I`ve read this statement off the Zaino site in a few threads and I just dont` get it. Shouldn`t a correctly polished surface look good without the LSP? :nixweiss



If there is hazing and micromarring before the Z2 or Z5 is applied won`t it be visible again after the LSP wears away? I thought the point of Z2 and Z5 was to protect a properly prepared surface, not hide an improperly prepared one. I`m a big fan of Zaino, but if ZPC is going to cause these problems I doubt I`ll ever use it. :sadpace:



Mike

[RAG]

:2thumbs:



Sounds good. I`ll go with this :)



ill wash the pad as well and start fresh to make sure i have the proper amount of product on the pad.



Thanks folks





Don`t worry so much about the right amount of product...it really should not be responsible for the issue you are having.



And per the previous post...I`d ditch the Z-PC and get me some PO106FF if I were you.



One more thing - I surprised you didn`t see any compound from OC or OHC, as both of these have left noticable micromarring (haze) when I`ve used them via PC on blue, red, and black paints...especially when one uses a yellow pad.

[Kewjoe]

Don`t worry so much about the right amount of product...it really should not be responsible for the issue you are having.



And per the previous post...I`d ditch the Z-PC and get me some PO106FF if I were you.



One more thing - I surprised you didn`t see any compound from OC or OHC, as both of these have left noticable micromarring (haze) when I`ve used them via PC on blue, red, and black paints...especially when one uses a yellow pad.



If there were micromarring i would see them with those 2x500watt halogen work lamps i have. I`ve seen micromarring pictures, but my car looks perfect. *shrug*. I was expecting some with the OHC and Yellow pad for sure, but i didn`t use that combo for very much, one small area i think.



I can`t ditch the Z-PC, i paid $20 CDN for it :P have to make use of it. If i were to get another polish, id just complete the collection and get the OP.. but ive spent enough on products for a while. I need to make this work :)



thanks for the replies

[wannafbody]

try the ZPC with an orange one step pad. I`ve used it on Navy blue mettallic and it left a LSP ready surface. I use about 10 small dots of product on the pad and work it until it`s clear. The ZPC should remove any hazing from OHC.

[Kewjoe]

try the ZPC with an orange one step pad. I`ve used it on Navy blue mettallic and it left a LSP ready surface. I use about 10 small dots of product on the pad and work it until it`s clear. The ZPC should remove any hazing from OHC.



Is an Orange one step pad, teh same as an LC Orange pad?



I have 3 pads,



LC Yellow Heavy Cut

LC Orange Mild Cut

LC White Polishing



i also have the above 3 in 4" pads, and a black finishing pad

[Kewjoe]

This hazing didn`t end up going away after applying 3 layers of Z5 :(



Kind of bummed, spent many hours on this only to have some hazing here and there. not consistent at all. I went over the spots with the hazing again and it just moves the hazing to a different spot.. strange.. only happened on a few panels.. not the whole car.. ah well.. will have to wait till spring before i care to spend that much time again.



Slowly losing my patience with Zaino products

[wannafbody]

This hazing didn`t end up going away after applying 3 layers of Z5 :(



Kind of bummed, spent many hours on this only to have some hazing here and there. not consistent at all. I went over the spots with the hazing again and it just moves the hazing to a different spot.. strange.. only happened on a few panels.. not the whole car.. ah well.. will have to wait till spring before i care to spend that much time again.



Slowly losing my patience with Zaino products





that sounds like possibly a dry buffing issue. Try using a spray of water to keep the product moist to work longer. The LC orange is the same pad I have. ZPC is a fairly aggressive product and that might be part of your issue. As I stated elswhere use less than you think you hsould and buff it out to a real thin layer and work it in. If you continue to have problems use a milder polish such as menzerna or Mothers Powerpolish. The Mothers is extremely easy to use. Just do an ISO wipedown.