HD Challenge (@ SEMA?)

**rcrobbins** · 11-18-2009, 10:26 PM

Thank you for clarifying that. Also, I know you respond to new member posts. In mine, I posted a few pictures of what I`ve done that I`m sure is fresh in your memory. I just wanted to add that was only after compounding and you shouldn`t refer to that as "the end result" to judge my talents. Nobody besides myself and the owner of the vehicle have seen the final fruits of my labor

**imported_Jakerooni** · 11-18-2009, 10:40 PM

David. I`d like to toss my name in the hat. Why would I be a good canidate. Well one I don`t hold back obviously LOL. If it`s good I`ll flat out say so. If it`s not well then I think we all know what I`ll say. I can polish with a lot of different mediums. Wool, foam, old school, new school. And just for fun. I`d love to test it out on a messed up oxidized black DD. (the super exotics are nice to look at but it`s not what most of us do so let`s get a real world test here) In fact I`d like a few test. Uber soft clear to ceramic clear. Having to switch up polishes between the different clears is annoying. Some don`t cut it others are just plain too aggressive. Now what`s the scope of the test? Do we get to use whatever we want to get the results and then compare just the results of UNO? or one product v. one product?

**imported_admin** · 11-18-2009, 10:48 PM

Originally Posted by Jakerooni

David. I`d like to toss my name in the hat. Why would I be a good canidate. Well one I don`t hold back obviously LOL. If it`s good I`ll flat out say so. If it`s not well then I think we all know what I`ll say. I can polish with a lot of different mediums. Wool, foam, old school, new school. And just for fun. I`d love to test it out on a messed up oxidized black DD. (the super exotics are nice to look at but it`s not what most of us do so let`s get a real world test here) In fact I`d like a few test. Uber soft clear to ceramic clear. Having to switch up polishes between the different clears is annoying. Some don`t cut it others are just plain too aggressive. Now what`s the scope of the test? Do we get to use whatever we want to get the results and then compare just the results of UNO? or one product v. one product?

Tunch said he was wide open to input and direction on the test. 3D is not trying to control anything. You guys tell 3D what they need to have at the party and they will make it happen. If you guys want multiple paint panels, including something freshly painted... speak up!

**imported_DJ Mayo** · 11-19-2009, 12:01 AM

Wow, David! I am so in for this. I`m sure my chances are extremely little to actually be picked but I`m sure I do more full out corrections here than most. I`m honest and if I find something that I like better, I use it. I also would like to have a few types of panels available. Single stage, soft clear, and of course ceramic clear. This will give us a wider variety of comparison. I`m not sure if you check the before and afters thread much but I have a few jobs of mine up that speak for themselves I believe. Not to mention the ones I`m far behind on getting up. Also, we will need to test after each step/pad combo to get a true comparison. Of course removing sanding marks too. I would also love to compare how much product is actually being used, the ease of use, ease of removal, different temperatures as that plays a role on products.

When were you looking to hold this event exactly?

**nonsensez9** · 11-19-2009, 12:13 AM

I look forward to the YouTubes on this. Should be awesome! :goodjob putting it together.

[quote name=`Jakerooni`] (... so let`s get a real world test here) QUOTE]

My "real world" = polishing in direct sunlight. Would it be possible to have someone do testing in these conditions?

**rcrobbins** · 11-19-2009, 12:40 AM

I`m not going to recommend anything to be painted, but there is certain information I think would be helpful for contestants on choosing products. Just so whoever ends up being chosen isn`t going blind folded while those who work there already have all questions answered.

1. Manufacture of paint and clearcoat

2. Exact numbering code for any hardeners/catalyst/reducers used

3. OEM code for the paint or exact tinting guide used if it`s a custom

4. Metallic/Iridescent content used in the paint if any

5. When the panel was painted

6. Exact flash times used if different from manufacture

7. Was the paint baked and how long and a what temp.

8. Was the panel always kept in a controlled environment or placed outside and subject to everyday weathering and temp. changes

9. Grits and Manufacture of wet sanding paper used before finishing with 3000

Most of those questions will go straight over peoples heads, but helps someone like me that really takes every variable into account when applying the scientific method. If some info is unavailable, it`s by no means a huge deal. Another thing I was thinking was if this is limited to polishes or extends into glazing? Also, the use of fillers in products can easily hide imperfections. I suggest some method of their removal before judging if not allowed. If they are allowed, no problem, game on! Lastly, the only product I think should be a constant between contestants is the microfiber towels used. I`m not biased to brand`s, which can be an in house name or some sponsors, but I think it should be known which towels will be used beforehand. This is just because we`re testing compounds/polishes/pads and not towels, which are used constantly in the experiment and differ greatly between manufactures in polymer/polyester/polyamide compositions. Ok, i`m done for now!

**a.k.a. Patrick** · 11-19-2009, 07:22 AM

Originally Posted by DavidB

Patrick,

You`re so close, the 3D team would be insulted if you didn`t join them for the event.

db

Oh you dont have to ask twice, Im there..........!

**imported_admin** · 11-19-2009, 08:38 AM

Originally Posted by Got_Leather

When were you looking to hold this event exactly?

When is TBD. Soon!

Where is Santa Clarita, CA... about a 30 minute drive north of the LAX airport.

**Greg Nichols** · 11-19-2009, 08:58 AM

David put me down! I`m sure I can find an equal.

I have done a fair amount of product testing for these forums, I`m also a science teacher so proper testing is a must. I`m known by many of the communities for my candor and opinions. You don`t want an unknown person or that will be dismissed by the seasoned pro, thus you`re back to square one.

Cheers,

GREG

**imported_admin** · 11-19-2009, 09:02 AM

Originally Posted by nonsensez9

My "real world" = polishing in direct sunlight. Would it be possible to have someone do testing in these conditions?

Summer is over, so I`m not sure how much of a real test it would be.

**5spdfrk** · 11-19-2009, 01:02 PM

Wow, now this is a challenge! I look forward to seeing the final results!

**Kevin Brown** · 11-20-2009, 02:33 AM

SHOOTOUT!

How cool. I saw the "all expenses paid" deal for three guys.

Perhaps that could apply to three guys coming from WAY out of the area? This way, more local guys could attend and join in.

Personally, I would like to see a shootout INCLUDING guys from other companies.

Not necessarily at any one manufactures facility... Just thinking out loud.

But 3D thought of it. I applaud the challenge, nonetheless. Kudos.

Can you better clarify the statement, "You may not be affiliated with the products you are putting against HD UNO"?

Are there other stipulations?

Rotary or random orbital okay?

Magic Elixers or Super Stealth pads allowed? Customized machines?

And on video, too!:2thumbs:

How fun and exciting this could be! :woot:

**imported_Devilsown** · 11-20-2009, 03:07 AM

If I can put someone`s name in I would love to:

Most of us have seen his work and admire it a lot. Most of learned from him and we are always asking him for help. I`m not sure if its something he would be intrested in doing but I think he desreves a shot. From what I`ve seen he is very open to most things out there and well I only hope that he wants to embark on this challenge:

I ask that Scottwax (if he want to) is put in the pot for names to go.

Scott sorry in advance if I oversteped my bounds I`m just a huge fan of your work and becuse of your inputs (and many others) to this site I`ve got my cars looking their best, and have hand many people come to me to work on their paint.

**salpac** · 11-20-2009, 07:12 AM

+1 for scottwax

**imported_admin** · 11-20-2009, 09:32 AM

Originally Posted by Kevin Brown

Personally, I would like to see a shootout INCLUDING guys from other companies.

Kevin,

I brought your comment/request to Tunch`s attention and he agreed. Why not make it an open event?

The worst that can come out of it is that we all learn something from one another. The best that will come out of it is that we all learn something from one another.

Tunch is flying back from Miami today. He will chime in on Monday.

db