NXT observation (polymer discussion)

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wannafbody
its been beat to death but i think i have proof that NXT is durable(so other polymer products should be as well) i have a single stage red chevy work van that is very badly oxidized- i tried some NXT on the hood(just a foot sized spot) last summer sometime-probably around July or August-it isn't overly glossy but it isn't oxidized like the surrounding paint leading me to think some protection is there-in fact i rubbed my finger over the spot and red didn't come off- around the edges i didn't wipe the NXT residue off and it is still there very visible- maybe Poly sealants are more durable than what manufacturers would want us to think
 
I don't think anybody says polymers aren't durable...just that NXT isn't the most durable polymer. People also seem to get wildly varying results with NXT.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
I don't think anybody says polymers aren't durable...just that NXT isn't the most durable polymer. People also seem to get wildly varying results with NXT.
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"NXT Tech Wax is a new Engineered Synthetic Polymers (ESP) technology that creates a tough, polymer bond to your paint film surface and provides protection from oxidation and environmental pollutants."



If there is oil present most polymers will not bond and/or their durability suffers. NXT is an 'engineered polymer' that contains oils, so it doesn't 'perform' like standard polymers.



I do not feel qualified enough to categorically state that this is the reason for its lack of durability.

JonM
 
This is reminding me of the comment that was made about Poorboy's Professional Polish having the "oil" separate out on top...and Steve (Poorboy) responding that it was SOLVENT, not oil. Let's not forget that petroleum-based solvents and oils both come from the same drum of crude, and are not that far away from each other in the cracking tower.
 
That's not a very good assumption. Polymers vary widely, and product formulations vary widely.



It's kind of like saying that cheese and yogurt should taste teh same since when you get down to the brass tacks, they are both milk. And now I'm going to have some yogurt since I'm hungry :p
 
Corey Bit Spank said:
That's not a very good assumption. Polymers vary widely, and product formulations vary widely.



It's kind of like saying that cheese and yogurt should taste teh same since when you get down to the brass tacks, they are both milk. And now I'm going to have some yogurt since I'm hungry :p
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it makes sense!:D
 
Quote: Let's not forget that petroleum-based solvents and oils both come from the same drum of crude, and are not that far away from each other in the cracking tower.EOQ



I can understand the analogy but the solvents used in car care products are a very refined (distilled) product compared to most PD solvents in a distillation column

JonM
 
TOGWT said:
I can understand the analogy but the solvents used in car care products are a very refined (distilled) product compared to most PD solvents in a distillation column

JonM
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Corey Bit Spank said:
That's not a very good assumption. Polymers vary widely, and product formulations vary widely.



It's kind of like saying that cheese and yogurt should taste teh same since when you get down to the brass tacks, they are both milk.
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I guess I'm not being clear. I'm not saying that cheese and yogurt taste the same, I'm arguing that NXT may not have oils in it...but petroleum-based solvents, regardless of their level of distillation. According to the MSDS for NXT Tech Wax, the only reportable ingredients are Calcined Kaolin Clay ("specialized cleaners"!) and Isoparaffinic Hydrocarbon. All the info I can find on Isoparaffinic Hydrocarbon lists it as a solvent, not an "oil".
 
Setec Astronomy said:
I guess I'm not being clear. I'm not saying that cheese and yogurt taste the same, I'm arguing that NXT may not have oils in it...but petroleum-based solvents, regardless of their level of distillation. According to the MSDS for NXT Tech Wax, the only reportable ingredients are Calcined Kaolin Clay ("specialized cleaners"!) and Isoparaffinic Hydrocarbon. All the info I can find on Isoparaffinic Hydrocarbon lists it as a solvent, not an "oil".
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Well, many sealants that outlast NXT have solvents (hydrocarbon based I presume).



And the dairy product analogy was for the original post :)
 
Corey Bit Spank said:
Well, many sealants that outlast NXT have solvents (hydrocarbon based I presume).
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I don't know where we're going with this--there was an assertion above that NXT is less durable than some other polymers due to its oil content--I am challenging that assertion, not that other sealants have solvents in them...or whatever you are saying. At any rate, the whole thing has become pointless and I'm retiring.
 
I cant leave my LSP alone long enough for NXT to be an issue. I do however have it on my windshield on an outside daily driver. It is still beading after weekly washes and 4 weeks.



Every morning i used the washer fluid and hit the wipers quick due to the dew on the windshield. Still beads.



What i dont like is that after 10 days or 2 weeks, my absorber is very grabby on the surface. When NXT is fresh my absorber is like a piece of ice on a hot plate.



Right now i have a 1 1/2 oz-and 1 1/2 oz of NXT and UPP mixed together on my car. Its been 1 week and it is still slick with my stupid absorber.



The look is very nice also. Wipes off very easy, and dosnt need to be shaken, stayes mixed.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
I don't know where we're going with this--there was an assertion above that NXT is less durable than some other polymers due to its oil content--I am challenging that assertion, not that other sealants have solvents in them...or whatever you are saying. At any rate, the whole thing has become pointless and I'm retiring.
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What we see as "oils" may really be solvents. :)
 
TOGWT said:
Quote: Let's not forget that petroleum-based solvents and oils both come from the same drum of crude, and are not that far away from each other in the cracking tower.EOQ



I can understand the analogy but the solvents used in car care products are a very refined (distilled) product compared to most PD solvents in a distillation column

JonM
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As a chemical engineer, I have this to say. A solvent is anything that dissolves anything else. It's a simple as that. Like dissolves like. In fact, the oil could in fact be and probably is both an oil and a solvent.



Talk about symantics.
 
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