No-Bama Care ?????

[Ronkh]

And most people posting in these threads remember when healthcare wasn`t a "right" (even though it still isn`t it`s a mandatory paid obligation).

But I do remember that company paid health insurance used to be a "perk"

[Ronkh]

I don`t remember that and I`m older than dirt. Well... not as old as Ron.

hhhmmm

[Ronkh]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...7a2_story.html

[tenblade2001]

And most people posting in these threads remember when healthcare wasn`t a "right" (even though it still isn`t it`s a mandatory paid obligation).

But I do remember that company paid health insurance used to be a "perk"

When someone says healthcare is a right, I have the following questions:
1) Where is it stated in Bill of Rights that Healthcare or the equivalent thereof is a right guaranteed by Gov?
2) If healthcare is a right, then what is the associated responsibility and the penalty for not meeting that responsibility? EVERY right has an attached responsibility...that`s they way they work. I have a right to free speech, but I can not slander another or say something that directly causes them bodily harm i.e. yelling fire in a theater. I have the right to the pursuit of happiness, but not if that hurts another. So if healthcare is a right, then that implies that a person has the responsibility to maintain their health. If not, then you sacrifice your right. That`s how it works. So, if you are an obese, non-compliant diabetic and you need a cardiac bypass...sorry, you squandered your "right" to that. That is how rights work.

[Ronkh]

Obamacare: The Beginning of the End

[Bunky]

Obamacare was never perfect but if some people can get some health care and pre-existing conditions are now considered the norm then I consider it progress. The opposition (as the Obamacare proponents) never have done the next step with getting drug prices under control/ American`s should not be the primary subsidizer of Pharma profits). There has been zero leadership from the right on fixing an almost monopoly. If the right wants to own the issue, they can do much to make progress besides focusing on repealing Obamacare without any real alternative..lot of talk but no real bills in Congress.

But the point here is not to make progress on health care costs but to just blame people.

[Ronkh]

Obamacare was never perfect but if some people can get some health care and pre-existing conditions are now considered the norm then I consider it progress. The opposition (as the Obamacare proponents) never have done the next step with getting drug prices under control/ American`s should not be the primary subsidizer of Pharma profits). There has been zero leadership from the right on fixing an almost monopoly. If the right wants to own the issue, they can do much to make progress besides focusing on repealing Obamacare without any real alternative..lot of talk but no real bills in Congress.

But the point here is not to make progress on health care costs but to just blame people.

The only useful thing it did, was pre existing conditions. It will NEVER get medical/pharm costs down. NEVER, because people don`t care "it doesn`t come out of their pockets"

Want to drive costs down? Make people pay for their own stuff.

ex Lasik. Look at what it used to cost against what it costs now.

Al, stop reading the O/C playbook and reason it out for yourself.

[Bunky]

Al, stop reading the O/C playbook and reason it out for yourself.

Ha. Once again you are off base with right wing labels as a premise of a statement. Ace sells some nice new shovels.

[Ronkh]

Ace sells some nice new shovels.

I`m too old to build sand castles, and have a landscaper so I have no need for shovels.

[tenblade2001]

@Bunky,
I hear people talk about drug prices all the time and yet they have NO IDEA of the cost of getting a drug to market. First, there is the research. For every one study that leads to a new therapy, 100 or so yielded nothing. Second, you have to have multiple trials both animal and human and those are VERY expensive. Then the drug has to reviewed by FDA...more paperwork and more money and likely more studies. So, we can either have the safety net of the FDA or we can have cheap drugs. With that said, I see where the anger comes from given the high CEO salaries but that is a small part of the bigger picture. Innovation cost money and the profits from drugs like Viagra fund research for HIV drugs, the new cure for Hep C (which is HUGE btw), etc.
I`ll give two ways that you could increase the availability of healthcare:
(1) Medical Malpractice reform aka Tort Reform- lowers insurance cost, reduces the number of unnecessary test and lowers operating cost.
(2) Tax reform- allow physicians and hospitals to write off losses for providing indigent care.
- both have been discussed and shut down by the "left"...likely due to their close ties trial attorney lobbies.

[Ronkh]

If I recall correctly, it costs almost 1b to get a drug to market now w all tests/approvals

[Anthony O.]

Oh...Marcus Welby M.D. where are you??!!

Want to know where a YUGE (see what I did there?) amount of health care costs go? Well Emergency visits THAT ARE NOT EMERGENCIES!! If you have a cough, some phlegm and embarrassing bout of diarrhea go to the store and get some meds or treat it via homeopathic methods but don`t clog up a hospital emergency room with your silly crap people. Or go to a Med-Clinic that are popping up all over.

Oh, of course, you don`t have the money to pay so it`s easier to just go to a emergency room, tell them you will pay, get checked out then skip out on paying because there are plenty of tax payers willing to fork over their money and pay for it, right?

Also, how many folks in an emergency room are even legal? So there`s that expense. Oh, and there is no reason why on God`s great earth a stinkin aspirin should cost me $8 friggin bucks!!

Get back to insurance being a community paid deal and having local doctors, maybe even bring back house visits and you`ll see cost come down but right now medicine is NOT about saving lives but growing bank accounts. It may start out as "Hey, we can save a lot of people" but it gets muddy quick with, "Ya that`s fine and all, but the company can make a ton of money!"

Lastly, I believe that a great majority of medical issues can all be regulated if not flat out cured thru diet. Watch what the hell you`re all feeding your bodies people...I never shop WalMart but the other day we had to go there and good grief, the horribly unfit people, many needing those electric carts, was depressing. If a zombie outbreak occurred they would have a feast for months on WalMart shoppers.

Anthony

[Ronkh]

I agreed with ya till "diet"

(please see my lunch dinner thread)

[Ronkh]

<---- hiding in my safe place

[512detail]

<---- hiding in my safe place

with a cheeseburger?