Trump 2016

[Larry A]

Bernie Sanders , he the one for president.

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[Trouble]

Bernie Sanders , he the one for president.

He would be an awesome VP

[Ronkh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6L2C1nxwVIk

[WhyteWizard]

Deliberately misunderstanding what someone says is dishonest. President Obama was referring to the infrastructure all private enterprise rests on. You may have built your business but you didn`t build the infrastructure that makes your business possible.


Robert

[silverfox]

The rich don`t get rich by themselves. Highways, roads, bridges, electricity, water, and labor are all required. Things they alone cannot provide. Success is not built in a vacuum.

[Bunky]

Deliberately misunderstanding what someone says is dishonest. President Obama was referring to the infrastructure all private enterprise rests on. You may have built your business but you didn`t build the infrastructure that makes your business possible.

We already know that many (politicians in particular) never let the facts stand in the way of a good story. Donald, like all politicians, is a salesman and then you have the party loyal repeating everything as if it were true just to stir the pot. You build yourself up by tearing others down.

The fact that many Republicans still believe Obama is a Muslim or not a native born show how people can be brainwashed. McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone!

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[Ronkh]

Deliberately misunderstanding what someone says is dishonest. President Obama was referring to the infrastructure all private enterprise rests on. You may have built your business but you didn`t build the infrastructure that makes your business possible.

Robert

The rich don`t get rich by themselves. Highways, roads, bridges, electricity, water, and labor are all required. Things they alone cannot provide. Success is not built in a vacuum.

These are self serving comments at best. People pay for the stuff listed above. Examples :

To build a 30,000 SqFt building in New York City the permit fee alone, (just permit not including all fees as the come up {inspection, filing for specific items etc}) $10303.34

George Washington Bridge crossing for 18 wheel truck = $96.00 (w ez pass) 114.00 cash (hmmm, so the labor for the toll collector)

Fuel federal excise tax on gasoline is 18.4 cents per gallon and 24.4 cents per gallon for diesel fuel (which is supposed to go to road building/maintenance) On average, as of April 2015, state and local taxes add 30.5 cents to gasoline and 29.7 cents to diesel, for a total US average fuel tax of 48.9 cents per gallon for gas and 54.1 cents per gallon for diesel

Electricity = paid as used (btw most electric suppliers are private corps)

Water = Paid as used (as well as sewer)

Labor = Paid as used (people don`t work for free)

Infrastructure = laterals including pavement, electric, water/sewer/gas supply = paid as made (upkeep and improvements are paid in fees as you go or added tax)

Lets not forget property tax and any other fee/tax the city can figure out


In the case of larger development where street or street enlargement/improvement is needed, the developer builds the street and the under street stuff like electric lines/gas lines/water/sewer) to spec and then dedicates the street to the city/state. Maintenance of that is paid by added value property taxes.


So Obamas comment while letter correct, in fact it is not the case since it is paid for by the business owner in one form or another. So it was a divisive self serving comment.

[Trouble]

Heh heh, discussing politics over the internet....

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[WhyteWizard]

"So Obamas comment while letter correct, in fact it is not the case since it is paid for by the business owner in one form or another. So it was a divisive self serving comment."

It was only divisive because people choose to make it so. The infrastructure is built before people use it and is great deal in terms of benefit for cost. All those taxes and fees are nothing more than a reasonable contribution, or rent, for benefits. Just because you rent a house doesn`t mean you built it. People live in this country, get the benefit of it and deny the advantages they`ve gotten as a way of trying to avoid having to pay it forward.

Robert

[Ronkh]

"So Obamas comment while letter correct, in fact it is not the case since it is paid for by the business owner in one form or another. So it was a divisive self serving comment."

It was only divisive because people choose to make it so. The infrastructure is built before people use it and is great deal in terms of benefit for cost. All those taxes and fees are nothing more than a reasonable contribution, or rent, for benefits. Just because you rent a house doesn`t mean you built it. People live in this country, get the benefit of it and deny the advantages they`ve gotten as a way of trying to avoid having to pay it forward.

Robert

Wow. Just WOW

The "advantage" is Opportunity
As far as "paying it forward"........... It is done daily, it`s paid so far forward, that our grandkids children will be paying for it

And yes infrastructure is built before use, but it is paid for, before and during

[WhyteWizard]

Wow. Just WOW

The "advantage" is Opportunity
As far as "paying it forward"........... It is done daily, it`s paid so far forward, that our grandkids children will be paying for it

And yes infrastructure is built before use, but it is paid for, before and during

That advantage, or opportunity, the infrastructure, didn`t make itself. The people who came before us invested in it and paid the taxes because they knew the benefit would come down to us and because they loved this country and wanted it to be the best it could.

One of the neoconservative ideas is that if you make any contribution at all, no matter how small the percentage, you`re entitled to the whole thing without any further responsibility. Like I said, taxes at this point, user fees, etc. don`t begin to pay for what`s provided, in fact, at this point there`s not even enough being collected pay for maintenance. And, btw, it`s not because you`re not paying enough, it`s because others who should be paying more aren`t and haven`t since Reagan.

Finally, did you deliberately misunderstand "paying it forward"? Because you seem to have confused it with charging it forward.

Robert

[Ronkh]

That advantage, or opportunity, the infrastructure, didn`t make itself. The people who came before us invested in it and paid the taxes because they knew the benefit would come down to us and because they loved this country and wanted it to be the best it could.

One of the neoconservative ideas is that if you make any contribution at all, no matter how small the percentage, you`re entitled to the whole thing without any further responsibility. Like I said, taxes at this point, user fees, etc. don`t begin to pay for what`s provided, in fact, at this point there`s not even enough being collected pay for maintenance. And, btw, it`s not because you`re not paying enough, it`s because others who should be paying more aren`t and haven`t since Reagan.

Finally, did you deliberately misunderstand "paying it forward"? Because you seem to have confused it with charging it forward.

Robert

Sorry, you are confused. Yes some of it was built before, but it was only partially invested then, it is continually invested in with "fees". You may be correct that "fees" may not cover it all, but those who "can afford" it actually pay for what they use. Take for example the new subway in San Francisco. It will run for approx. 2 miles. It will NEVER cover up keep, much less original construction. Ridership will be negligible. The most expensive piece of railway. It has done nothing so far (it hasn`t been finished) but COST PEOPLE JOBS due to the fact that it has just about brought union square to a virtual standstill. Especially when they had buses that got people from point a to point b quicker. And as you said, the fees aren`t enough to cover anything about it. The tax payer (business and citizen) will be paying for it for many lifetimes.

Who should be paying more and why, and how much more?


May I ask what you do/did for work?

[WhyteWizard]

You didn`t address the difference between paying it forward and charging it forward so let me clear it up for you.

The United States went into debt to pay for WWII, then, paid it off and built the interstate highway system, did huge power projects, took care of Vets with the GI bill, etc., with the tax rates they had in the 1950s. They paid for those things in real time, not in debt they handed down. Maybe we should go back to the tax rates they had then. When you look at those rates, adjust for inflation, otherwise you`ll need a drink.

You say the subway project has cost jobs by shutting down Union Square. What`s your source for that? I was there a few months ago and this is what saw. Also, you seem to be ignoring the jobs created by project and the jobs created when people on that project spend their paychecks.

One more thing: WWII didn`t end the great depression. The jobs programs and infrastructure builds of the 1930s did that, and gave us the industrial base we used to make the weapons that won WWII. If we hadn`t done that infrastructure build including all the private industry - industry, steel mills, for example that were built to supply the demand brought about by, again for example, building the Oakland Bay Bridge, we would have been dead in the water until it could be built. As it was, it was a relatively simple shift from consumer goods to arms.

Our grandparents paid off WWII, who`s going to pay off Iraq? Which war was necessary? Who was in charge?




Robert