Leading The Way!

[Accumulator]

So how can anyone seriously consider this person as a candidate for the presidency of the United States???

Noting that as a rule I simply DON`T POST on Political Threads.....I think the above about *every* candidate for President. Have for quite some time now. EVERY. SINGLE. ONE.

[Ronkh]

From the New York Times...............................

Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation as Russians Pressed for Control of Uranium Company

[Setec Astronomy]

Until we take money out of politics...we are pretty much having to look after ourselves because nobody in Washington represents the people who misguidedly sent them there.

/thread

[House of Wax]

From the New York Times...............................

Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation as Russians Pressed for Control of Uranium Company

Nothing to see here, move along.....

[Ronkh]

Nothing to see here, move along.....

Isn`t that the msm tomorrow at 530 pm?

[Ronkh]

From the NYT of all places


"WASHINGTON — Hillary Rodham Clinton told reporters last month that the memos about Libya she received while secretary of state from Sidney Blumenthal, a longtime adviser whom the Obama administration had barred her from hiring, had been “unsolicited.”

But according to officials briefed on the matter, email records that Mrs. Clinton apparently failed to turn over to the State Department last fall show that she repeatedly encouraged Mr. Blumenthal to “keep ’em coming,” as she said in an August 2012 reply to a memo from him, which she called “another keeper.”

All or part of 15 Libya-related emails she sent to Mr. Blumenthal were missing from the trove of 30,000 that Mrs. Clinton provided to the State Department last year, as well as from the 847 that the department in turn provided in February to the House committee investigating the 2012 attacks in Benghazi, Libya. The emails were reviewed by a reporter.

The department had asked Mrs. Clinton last year for copies of all of the work-related emails she sent or received on the personal email account she exclusively used when she was secretary of state from 2009 to 2013. (She has said that she wiped the server clean thereafter, deleting the emails that she had not turned over to the department, which she said were personal.)"


Article has even more damning stuff in it

Benghazi Emails Put Focus on Hillary Clinton’s Encouragement of Adviser

[Ronkh]

"A spokesman for Mrs. Clinton could not immediately be reached for comment. Mrs. Clinton, who is running for the Democratic Party’s presidential nomination, has maintained that she properly complied with the State Department’s request and with federal record-keeping regulations.

In sifting through and producing such a large number of emails, it stands to reason that some would be missed."

(or 55000 deleted)

[Ronkh]

Tips on Deleting Emails From Email Book Hillary Clinton Wanted to Read - ABC News

[Ronkh]

Clinton Shrugs Off Question About Wiping Server Clean - Bloomberg Politics

[WhyteWizard]

Missing emails found

Robert

[RDKC]

Selective outrage. If anyone posted about this before then I`m not talking about them.

Robert

I would just like to point out that the internet, and this forum specifically, is not the entire world. Just because somebody has not or (in some cases) will not post on an online message forum about a specific event does not mean they are not frustrated. Also, it was never stated that that wasn`t a problem. There is no need to list a complete history of similar events to justify to you, or anyone else, that someone is "outraged."

It`s amazing to me that after 8 years of Bush, the lies, the wars, the debt, losing 800K jobs the last month Bush was President, followed by obstruction and filibuster people spend so much time going after Obama for things that aren`t even real problems. He`s not a Kenyan, Muslim, socialist, etc.

I`m sure there are people reading this post who think the deal with Iran is just terrible, because, as John McCain says, it`s going to make it much more difficult to bomb them, but none of those people are going to enlist and put their own skin in the game. In case it matters, I spent from 1970 till 1976 on active duty, I enlisted for 6 years active duty up front and had a deferment from the draft in my pocket at the time.

Robert

Again, if you check your facts there are quite a few things about Obama that are a big deal that are real problems. There are also plenty of things that haven`t been a "big deal" that are real problems. So it goes with any administration.

You also should be wary of your audience. Just because somebody doesn`t agree with you about something doesn`t mean they wouldn`t "put their own skin in the game." From your posts I can promise you my viewpoints on America and our political system would vary greatly from yours. There are many things wrong with it and I am perfectly fine stating what I think in the real world, not behind a keyboard and monitor. So, does that mean that I haven`t put my "skin in the game" since I don`t believe 100% in our government?

Just so you know, if you answered "yes" to that last question, I have a couple of medals that would say otherwise.

[Bunky]

We do see the selective outrage in politics.

Each side digs up stuff to try to embarrass the other to raise negatively. I do believe a major voting factor is not the candidate they want but who they do not want so the negativity game is standard political practice.

So much was made about Obama`s birth certificate, yet Cruz was born in Canada and claims he was naturalized since his mother was an American. The right has been generally silent on that. Even if Obama was born in Kenya, Obama would qualify if that is what is meant by a "natural born citizen".

As usual, as long as the other candidate is getting blasted by negativity, few will stand up for the truth in the name of expediency (win the election). The end justifies the means.

Hillary made some judgement errors and is being called on it. As usual, the Dem`s are silent.

[WhyteWizard]

I would just like to point out that the internet, and this forum specifically, is not the entire world. Just because somebody has not or (in some cases) will not post on an online message forum about a specific event does not mean they are not frustrated. Also, it was never stated that that wasn`t a problem. There is no need to list a complete history of similar events to justify to you, or anyone else, that someone is "outraged."



Again, if you check your facts there are quite a few things about Obama that are a big deal that are real problems. There are also plenty of things that haven`t been a "big deal" that are real problems. So it goes with any administration.

You also should be wary of your audience. Just because somebody doesn`t agree with you about something doesn`t mean they wouldn`t "put their own skin in the game." From your posts I can promise you my viewpoints on America and our political system would vary greatly from yours. There are many things wrong with it and I am perfectly fine stating what I think in the real world, not behind a keyboard and monitor. So, does that mean that I haven`t put my "skin in the game" since I don`t believe 100% in our government?

Just so you know, if you answered "yes" to that last question, I have a couple of medals that would say otherwise.

I pointed out specific issues with Bush/Cheney. You suggested there were real problems with Obama, I`d like to know what you think those are. I for one am not in favor of the drone strikes and the continuation of the surveillance that came about by the Patriot Act and put in place by Bush/Cheney. Have you read the stories about how the Republican leadership met at the Caucus Room Restaurant on the day Obama was being sworn in to organize making sure he didn`t get anything done? To make sure his was a failed Presidency.

Congress is the legislative branch, they are the ones who are supposed to tell the President what to do, to write the laws and checks. The President is the administrative branch, he`s supposed to implement and enforce those laws and policies. The Senate hasn`t been able to get anything past the Republican filibuster and the House spends more time worrying about who to investigate for headlines than doing something about jobs or infrastructure for example.

I didn`t answer your final question one way or the other because I don`t know you so it would have been a waste of time.

Have you read about this, Nuclear free Iran.

I haven`t been able to figure out why Ronhk put me on ignore but I find it interesting he still likes and thanks you for you posts.


Robert

[RDKC]

I pointed out specific issues with Bush/Cheney. You suggested there were _are real problems with Obama, I`d like to know what you think those are.

There are many things wrong with it and I am perfectly fine stating what I think in the real world, not behind a keyboard and monitor.

That would be a pretty straight-forward explanation as to why there are no specific examples. I`ve already broken my general rule and will go no further. The internet and politics tend to mix as well as oil and water and lead to more problems than resolutions.

Your pompous comment about putting ones "own skin in the game" and your disputable opinions stated as facts just irked me and I typed a response. Since you seem to require a specific example (glad I`m in grade school again), I will give you one.

I for one am not in favor of the drone strikes and the continuation of the surveillance that came about by the Patriot Act and put in place by Bush/Cheney.

Inserting your own opinion (Bush is responsible for the continuation of the drone strikes) into fact (the Patriot Act was implemented under the Bush administration) does not make it a fact. Nor does ignoring facts (Obama re-authorized the Patriot Act in 2010) make your opinion become fact.

Have you read the stories about how the Republican leadership met at the Caucus Room Restaurant on the day Obama was being sworn in to organize making sure he didn`t get anything done? To make sure his was a failed Presidency.

There are two sides to every tale.

Congress is the legislative branch, they are the ones who are supposed to tell the President what to do, to write the laws and checks _{delete/inaccurate information}. The President is the administrative _{executive, not administrative} branch, he`s supposed to implement <sub>Normally covered within the scope of the bill. Not a direct responsibility of the executive branch</sub> and enforce those laws and policies. The Senate hasn`t been able to get anything past the Republican filibuster and the House spends more time worrying about who to investigate for headlines than doing something about jobs or infrastructure for example.

Please see the above subscript.

I didn`t answer your final question one way or the other because I don`t know you so it would have been a waste of time.

That was a rhetorical question. It was there to emphasize that you don`t know who you are talking to and you don`t know who has what opinion or why they hold it.

Have you read about this, Nuclear free Iran

Entirely off the original topic of this thread and pretty irrelevant to the already off-topic conversation between us. I`m not entirely sure where that comes into play, but I`ll bite. No, I had not read it. Now I have read the article. The End.

I haven`t been able to figure out why Ronhk put me on ignore but I find it interesting he still likes and thanks you for you posts.

Robert

Well, I can state the obvious and say that he probably doesn`t want to read your posts so he ignored you. That would generally imply that you have done something to offend, annoy, irritate, or agitate him. Just my guess though.

Ronkh likes a lot of posts and mine is not the only one in this thread that he has liked. Perchance he agrees with me so he liked/thanked my post. Maybe he also picked up on the same arrogance I perceived from your post.

One last thing and I am done. It doesn`t matter if you are a veteran, it doesn`t matter if you have seen combat, you sit no higher than anyone else. You can continue to throw it in peoples faces for your own glory or justification but always remember that you chose to serve.

Food for thought.

RESPECT

Treat people as they should be treated. In the Soldier’s Code, we pledge to “treat others with dignity and respect while expecting others to do the same.” Respect is what allows us to appreciate the best in other people. Respect is trusting that all people have done their jobs and fulfilled their duty. And self-respect is a vital ingredient with the Army value of respect, which results from knowing you have put forth your best effort. The Army is one team and each of us has something to contribute."

SELFLESS SERVICE

Put the welfare of the nation, the Army and your subordinates before your own. Selfless service is larger than just one person. In serving your country, you are doing your duty loyally without thought of recognition or gain. The basic building block of selfless service is the commitment of each team member to go a little further, endure a little longer, and look a little closer to see how he or she can add to the effort.

If you would like to continue our conversation, please feel free to PM me and we can go from there.

[WhyteWizard]

My point about skin in the game is that the vast majority of people in the US don`t have, and since there`s no draft, won`t be serving and won`t have anyone close to them serving. It`s made military action much easier for obvious reasons. That`s not pompous, that`s a point that`s been made by lots of people. It is an opinion, but I can explain why I believe it but I`m pretty sure I don`t need to.

I inserted my criticism of things Obama has done because I want you to know I don`t support what he does all the time. At the same time, I think he was a much better choice than the alternatives.


"That was a rhetorical question. It was there to emphasize that you don`t know who you are talking to and you don`t know who has what opinion or why they hold it."

The reason I didn`t answer the question, the reason it would have been a waste of time is exactly what you said, I don`t know you. I wish I had been more clear. What I want to know is why people hold the opinions they do, if you read people`s posts they state their opinions but very seldom explain how they came to them.

I wish you had PM`d me in the first place if that`s where you wanted to have this conversation. If you want to PM me about how the soldier`s code might relate to various presidents I`d be interested.

Robert