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    Re: Long Term Wax Test. Collinite, Lusso, Griots, DoDo

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    ... WaxAddict- Still can`t get ya to include FK1000P, huh? Sorry...couldn`t resist ...
    Yeah Accum, I should get some. Too busy buying products I`ve never heard of like Beauty Shine, Ardex, and Mitchel & King.

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    ... I still have a hard time with all those products dieing around the same period ...
    Me too, David, totally, but the truth can`t be denied. Now let`s talk about what could have happened...

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    ... Maybe you are right and the pollen left a coating over the waxes ...
    Maybe, but maybe not so much as a coating, or a shearing effect like I said earlier, but maybe the pollen dissolved the wax? I`ve been reading online, and there`s plenty of talk that pollen damages paint due to scratching, but I also read that pollen is acidic. Water activates the acid in pollen. We had pollen in early March, then rain, then about a week of the car just sitting there baking in the sun. Something has to explain the 915 going from "easily detectable" to "nothing" in 1.5 weeks.

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    Re: Long Term Wax Test. Collinite, Lusso, Griots, DoDo

    Nice test. I`m not surprised at the results. I get pretty similar results in S. Georgia. The heat just kills waxes. I`m not sure the layering test would prove anything. I`m pretty much convinced that the solvents in waxes will remove the previous layer negating any positive results. How about a wax over a sealant test, since the solvents shouldn`t remove the sealant? Maybe do a sealant after it cures 4, 8, and 12 hours to see if cure time effects durability.
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    Re: Long Term Wax Test. Collinite, Lusso, Griots, DoDo

    Pollen would sometimes appear to kill Collinite for me, but never did anything significant to FK1000P even when I left it on there for a long time through numerous rains/etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by rlmccarty2000 View Post
    .. I`m pretty much convinced that the solvents in waxes will remove the previous layer negating any positive results. How about a wax over a sealant test, since the solvents shouldn`t remove the sealant? Maybe do a sealant after it cures 4, 8, and 12 hours to see if cure time effects durability.

    Noting how YMMV and that there are a whole lotta factors...IME it`s easy enough to test whether layering works and with sufficient time between applications and applying subsequent layers very gently I`ve seldom had the "like removes like"/solvent-action remove previously applied layers to the extent that it rendered the layering futile (exception- I saw no durability benefit from layering Souveran even when I spit-shined it). Heh heh, I sure wouldn`t bother putting on another layer of [anything] unless I were certain that there`d be a functional benefit.

    E.g., I know about that micro-level measurement of attempts to layer Collinite that "proved" (scare-quotes intentional) it did NOT layer, but if that`s the case then how did the areas I did with more applications keep beading/staying slick/behaving like they were waxed so much longer?

    E.g.#2, when FK1000p layering goes haywire it causes pseudo-holograms from the solvent action. But even then (including after I`ve buffed away those pseudo-holograms) those areas "behave like they`re still waxed" longer so my interpretation is that the solvent action is not sufficient to fully remove the previously-applied product. And as I keep posting, when FK1000P is layered successfully it lasts for an incredibly long time..at least for me. Much longer than just one application, by a very significant margin.

    I`m assuming that everyone here accepts that products like KSG layer, right?
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    Re: Long Term Wax Test. Collinite, Lusso, Griots, DoDo

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    ... I`m assuming that everyone here accepts that products like KSG layer, right?
    I think sealants, acrylic or otherwise, should layer, because you just don`t need the solvents for suspension that you need with carnauba. I think that a purely natural wax might not layer, just like your Souveran didn`t layer. But, a lot of "waxes" have polymers and *should* benefit from a second coat. In hybrid wax/sealant products, perhaps the carnauba is there for looks, so maybe we`re just layering the polymer content of "waxes" and simply using the carnauba content as an appearance enhancer, so who cares if subsequent coats are erasing the existing carnauba - the solvent content is staying in-tact.

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    Re: Long Term Wax Test. Collinite, Lusso, Griots, DoDo

    WaxAddict- Yeah, I don`t know from the chemistry behind this stuff but I always figure that sealants, and especially acrylics, will layer. Do wish it made a bigger diff performance-wise with some of `em though.

    Heh, another carnauba that shouldn`t layer but always did for me (only used the Pre-VOC version though) was Malm`s liquid. It wasn`t some hybrid, just a liquid, carnaube-based wax very similar to the liquid version of M26. But it absulutely *did* layer, had to strip it off after a while as it became a "wax buildup" just like in the floorcare commercials.

    AFAIK the only Autopian who`s currently using it is JustJesus, and I haven`t heard much from him other than how hydrophobic it (still, post-VOC) is.

    Eh, IMO when it comes to layering it`s probably best to try stuff for oneself given the YMMV thing, some of my experiences sure surprised me and I`d thought `em through pretty well beforehand.

 

 
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