Coatings vs. Standard LSP`S discussion

[Ronkh]

are you one of those shopaholics I talked about? lol

i`m the original.

[TroyScherer]

With stuff like PNS, Hydro2, Sonax BSD, Reload, WetCoat; that are super easy to apply and last 3 months or more do we really need to use a coating anymore? For are easy as they are the beading and sheeting I have seriously considered just going with the "toppers" and skipping the coatings altogether.

[Ronkh]

With stuff like PNS, Hydro2, Sonax BSD, Reload, WetCoat; that are super easy to apply and last 3 months or more do we really need to use a coating anymore? For are easy as they are the beading and sheeting I have seriously considered just going with the "toppers" and skipping the coatings altogether.

Ahhhhhh

That make too much sense. There has to be another way.

[boxingfan30]

Ahhhhhh

That make too much sense. There has to be another way.

To be fair, there really is quite a good amount of scratch resistance with the coatings, the question for me remains... is that area important enough to outweigh the fact that many coatings are indeed a lot of work, and they are more maintenance than the companies let on. Like I said, you now have suggestions to use spot removers, and things such as reload, or vs1, or cure, all coatings have some sort of topper that isn`t cheap and while it may last a while.. it`s not really doing the consumer a favor who believes that once this coating is on, for 2-3 years his/her troubles are over, it`s not gonna scratch and it`s going to look brand new after every wash or rainstorm.

[RitcheyRch]

That`s what we were lead to believe. Now making me second guess getting a coating if there is just as much work involved in maintenance.

To be fair, there really is quite a good amount of scratch resistance with the coatings, the question for me remains... is that area important enough to outweigh the fact that many coatings are indeed a lot of work, and they are more maintenance than the companies let on. Like I said, you now have suggestions to use spot removers, and things such as reload, or vs1, or cure, all coatings have some sort of topper that isn`t cheap and while it may last a while.. it`s not really doing the consumer a favor who believes that once this coating is on, for 2-3 years his/her troubles are over, it`s not gonna scratch and it`s going to look brand new after every wash or rainstorm.

[boxingfan30]

That`s what we were lead to believe. Now making me second guess getting a coating if there is just as much work involved in maintenance.

It also depends on your environment... if it`s mainly rain, which has a low PPI or PPO? level, and your not using harsh town water and such, it`s not as big of a deal... for me, it`s been an absolute constant irritation, knowing I need to buff the rest of the CQUK off. Perhaps look into the Dr. Beasley`s coating... the person on page 2 (don`t recall his name) said he hasn`t had any issues thus far. There`s got to be some sort of coating that actually does the job without the upkeep. I`d rather have a hard coating that wears off in 6 months than one that is said to last for 2 years and I start having issues with it at 6 months.

[RitcheyRch]

hardly any rain here in Southern California. Was considering a coating to save me from spending hours on the weekend cleaning the car and keeping bug splatter and bird crap off.

It also depends on your environment... if it`s mainly rain, which has a low PPI or PPO? level, and your not using harsh town water and such, it`s not as big of a deal... for me, it`s been an absolute constant irritation, knowing I need to buff the rest of the CQUK off. Perhaps look into the Dr. Beasley`s coating... the person on page 2 (don`t recall his name) said he hasn`t had any issues thus far. There`s got to be some sort of coating that actually does the job without the upkeep. I`d rather have a hard coating that wears off in 6 months than one that is said to last for 2 years and I start having issues with it at 6 months.

[boxingfan30]

hardly any rain here in Southern California. Was considering a coating to save me from spending hours on the weekend cleaning the car and keeping bug splatter and bird crap off.

so those are your top priorities? Scratch resistance isn`t at the top of your list? (not that any of us here wouldn`t like to have better scratch resistance) You really have to ask yourself what your top priorities are. Accumulator for instance is a huge... and I do mean HUGE fan of FK1000P and I have used it myself and do like it. It holds up well to heat (about 215 degrees IIRC) and it`s very good for resisting bird droppings and makes cleaning bugs and such off a much easier process. He also feels it sheds dirt very well, though it`s been a while since I have used it so I don`t recall that area myself. It`s about 20-25$ for a large tin of it (paste wax) and it would likely take a few years to use it all up.

[mg031]

I`d rather wait at least a year before speaking anything more about the Dr. Beasley`s. But I`ll admit the cost of it is refreshing as well as BulletProof v2.
Some others i`m testing cost a whole lot more and not sure I see a great difference for the cost.

It`s almost the new tech version of my old Carnauba Fetish I want something reliable and keep what they promise within reason. Price and ease of usability of course a plus.

[mbpress01]

So I just did my first two cars with two different coatings and prior I was all in with Zaino. I really loved the look of Zaino and was easily layered. Eventually, I was applying a layer ever week with z2 and then clear seal and all in all the car looked incredible, was slick and beaded and sheeting amazing. After reading about all the coatings, I went with Blackfire Crystal Coat and 22PLE signature. Conclusions as follows:

a) Sealants are much easier to put on. I did learn that either needs eraser or another IPA (I didn`t do an IPA before a Zaino application and it streaked like crazy). After doing the coating it was obvious that the IPA removes polishing oils and if you don`t use an IPA, it probably will botch a sealant and definitely coating application.

b) Both 22PLE and Blackfire have to be watched like a hawk when they are flashing. If you miss a spot, be prepared to repolish and reapply. In my applications, I went very slowly and found I needed at least 2 hours to apply and buff off. Was pretty painful.

c) Sheeting and beading - coatings are the winner. I saw like a 1.25 inch bead on the 22PLE car and the sheeting was amazing; that is not to say sealants don`t bead and sheet, it was just clear to me coatings are better.

d) Durability - undetermined - they will go through a northeast winter in a few month so next march I will examine the beading sheeting. I can say last winter, I had 10 coats of zaino and it was still getting good beads and sheeting (although the car is garaged) after the winter.

f) Finally, and most importantly, looks - somewhat a disappointment in the coatings. After reading about the amazing gloss of 22PLE and Blackfire coatings, I thought the car was going to look more reflective than Zaino. To be sure I could really see this, I spent 10 hours re-polishing the cars with pf4500 which brought out the deep black on my lexus and the deep blue on a ford tarus. I assumed the coatings would then add "reflectivity" to the car and it didn`t really pop. To some extent, the Zaino actually looked better (i got the shimmering look with zaino). I was disappointed for sure but I have to assume it needs a topping (vs1 sealant for 22ple and Blackfire instant detailer) which I am hoping will help. It may be that coatings are really a durability play and as long as I can get through the winter I don`t care about durability. I haven`t decided yet but looks are the most important criteria for me so it may be back to sealants.

[boxingfan30]

So I just did my first two cars with two different coatings and prior I was all in with Zaino. I really loved the look of Zaino and was easily layered. Eventually, I was applying a layer ever week with z2 and then clear seal and all in all the car looked incredible, was slick and beaded and sheeting amazing. After reading about all the coatings, I went with Blackfire Crystal Coat and 22PLE signature. Conclusions as follows:

a) Sealants are much easier to put on. I did learn that either needs eraser or another IPA (I didn`t do an IPA before a Zaino application and it streaked like crazy). After doing the coating it was obvious that the IPA removes polishing oils and if you don`t use an IPA, it probably will botch a sealant and definitely coating application.

b) Both 22PLE and Blackfire have to be watched like a hawk when they are flashing. If you miss a spot, be prepared to repolish and reapply. In my applications, I went very slowly and found I needed at least 2 hours to apply and buff off. Was pretty painful.

c) Sheeting and beading - coatings are the winner. I saw like a 1.25 inch bead on the 22PLE car and the sheeting was amazing; that is not to say sealants don`t bead and sheet, it was just clear to me coatings are better.

d) Durability - undetermined - they will go through a northeast winter in a few month so next march I will examine the beading sheeting. I can say last winter, I had 10 coats of zaino and it was still getting good beads and sheeting (although the car is garaged) after the winter.

f) Finally, and most importantly, looks - somewhat a disappointment in the coatings. After reading about the amazing gloss of 22PLE and Blackfire coatings, I thought the car was going to look more reflective than Zaino. To be sure I could really see this, I spent 10 hours re-polishing the cars with pf4500 which brought out the deep black on my lexus and the deep blue on a ford tarus. I assumed the coatings would then add "reflectivity" to the car and it didn`t really pop. To some extent, the Zaino actually looked better (i got the shimmering look with zaino). I was disappointed for sure but I have to assume it needs a topping (vs1 sealant for 22ple and Blackfire instant detailer) which I am hoping will help. It may be that coatings are really a durability play and as long as I can get through the winter I don`t care about durability. I haven`t decided yet but looks are the most important criteria for me so it may be back to sealants.

I want to clear up that 22ple doesn`t need to be polished off, simply going over the area again will knock a high spot down, though IMO 22ple is by far the easiest coating to apply that I`ve used and as long as you stick to the directions, you`ll have no problems.

[52split]

I want to clear up that 22ple doesn`t need to be polished off, simply going over the area again will knock a high spot down, though IMO 22ple is by far the easiest coating to apply that I`ve used and as long as you stick to the directions, you`ll have no problems.

I have tried so many waxes, sealants, and coatings over the years.

Favorite Waxes: Blackfire Diamond wax
Pinnacle Souveran (favorite)

Favorite Sealants: Zaino, Duragloss

Coatings I have tried: CQuartz UK, Optimum Gloss Coat, 22ple, Kamikaze ISM

Out of all of these I would go with....

Toss up...Gloss Coat and Kamikaze.

[Thomas Dekany]

That`s what we were lead to believe. Now making me second guess getting a coating if there is just as much work involved in maintenance.

Personally, I would never ever use a sealant or wax on my personal cars. From my experience, Coating`s are so superior, in every way - mar resistants, easy of maintenance, the freshly detailed look after each wash, not having to worry about sap/tar/bird etching etc... and lastly - no need to reapply Opti Coat.

Here is one of our cars, after 1 year - all I ever do is wash it and washing it is very easy. No contamination, no water spots. The rinse is the initial one not after a wash.





In case it doesn`t work, click the link below

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0I5tutr3N0

[boxingfan30]

Personally, I would never ever use a sealant or wax on my personal cars. From my experience, Coating`s are so superior, in every way - mar resistants, easy of maintenance, the freshly detailed look after each wash, not having to worry about sap/tar/bird etching etc... and lastly - no need to reapply Opti Coat.

Here is one of our cars, after 1 year - all I ever do is wash it and washing it is very easy. No contamination, no water spots. The rinse is the initial one not after a wash.





In case it doesn`t work, click the link below

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0I5tutr3N0

is that because you are an authorized opticoat dealer perhaps? I know plenty of people on both sides of this argument, the truth is that after a bit of time oc looks less than stellar, or perhaps just boring is the right word.

[Thomas Dekany]

is that because you are an authorized opticoat dealer perhaps? I know plenty of people on both sides of this argument, the truth is that after a bit of time oc looks less than stellar, or perhaps just boring is the right word.

You do realize that no one held a gun to my head to be an installer? My car after 12 months looks as glossy as the day I installed OC Pro. If OC was applied correctly, the look doesn`t diminish - the difference between OC and nano sealants aka coatings. After how many months did OPTI COAT PRO started to look boring on your car?