Waterless wash concentrate/ BF or Pinnacle ?

**pgp** · 07-26-2015, 01:55 PM

Hey everyone,
I just started using a rinse-less wash. I want to try a waterless wash soon. I usually wash every week or ten days for a car that sits out 24/7. My car is red, I am looking at the new Blackfire 48:1 concentrate and the Pinnacle 32:1 with carnauba. Which would you suggest or are they pretty similar ? Thanks.

**Pats300zx** · 07-26-2015, 02:13 PM

I like the Pinnacle Waterless with Carnuaba. Very easy to use and leaves some protection behind. I would describe it as a nice warm look. You really can`t go wrong with either but I do prefer the Pinnacle.

**Robert DiTerlizzi** · 07-27-2015, 08:35 AM

I`ve been using the BLACKFIRE Wet Diamond Waterless Wash Kit for over a month now!
The quality of the sprayer is very nice and easy to mix, 1oz of WDWW into a full dispenser and go!
It wipes easy and cleans extremely well!
My Triumph is Black single stage paint thats coated with BLACKFIRE Crystal Coat Paint Coating, and washing couldn`t be easier!
Being "old school", it took a bit to convince me that they work, now i save the hose/bucket method for only the dirties ones.

**TroyScherer** · 07-27-2015, 08:59 AM

I have used both and they are both good. In my opinion the Pinnacle is more for the wax based user and the Blackfire is more for the sealant based user.

But I personally use UWWP+ and find it hard to beat.

**pgp** · 07-28-2015, 02:23 PM

Thanks guys, I probably will try them all at some point. I did see some good reviews for UWW+ too. So, I did order the "Pinnacle kit" One final question, I may be over thinking this 1:32 is 32 water,1 product which equals a total or 33 oz.?

**Ronkh** · 07-28-2015, 02:44 PM

I`ve been using the Blackfire if I want to add "something", or Poorboys if I want to just "clean"

Since you were asking about BF, IMHO it`s great.

**Swanicyouth** · 07-28-2015, 06:58 PM

I`ve been using Pinnacle since it came out. I pretty much concluded its the best WW for cars that are waxed. It adds some protection and the beading is pretty good.

It has a good dilution ratio, smells good, and works well with the Pinnacle Rinseless.

When my gallon runs out - I`ll buy another.

I haven`t used the new BF product - only the old one. It was good as well, but Pinnacle seemed a little better.

**nothingface5384** · 07-29-2015, 12:05 AM

Id love to switch to a waterless but i live next to a baseball field..get so much sand dust its sad

**Real Riders** · 07-29-2015, 01:48 AM

I like both products. The Pinnacle has more wax but the Blackfire works great and is very economical

**firebird** · 07-29-2015, 11:14 AM

I like the BF. I use 1:4 ratio per the bottle. 1 being BF to 4 parts water.

**EdLancer** · 07-29-2015, 08:28 PM

What happen to ONR, was the go to waterless wash back a few years ago ?

**4u2nvinmtl** · 07-30-2015, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by EdLancer

What happen to ONR, was the go to waterless wash back a few years ago ?

I`ve never used it as a waterless wash, but I do use ONR for rinseless washes, quick detailing, and clay lube.

Nice to see a fellow Montrealer! We should trade detailing products one day (I got more than I can use, LOL).

**Real Riders** · 07-30-2015, 06:57 PM

Originally Posted by EdLancer

What happen to ONR, was the go to waterless wash back a few years ago ?

Using ONR as a waterless wash is probably not a good idea. I see detailers using ONR as waterless wash because it is so economical at 256:1 dilution ratio. I feel investing in a good waterless wash like Pinnacle, Ultima, or Blackfire is a much better choice. I don`t even think Opimum recommends using ONR as waterless wash. If they did they would not offer Opti Clean