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#1 speedsix

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Posted 14 August 2005 - 08:17 PM

Hi there,

I clayed/cleaned and waxed my (black) car 2 weeks ago with NXT wax and it looked superb, swirling looked minimal which I was pleased with. I decided to wash and add a second layer of the NXT wax (by hand) the weekend after which seemed to go fine.
Yesterday I went to wash the car as usual and noticed in direct sunlight all panels are covered in a greasy wax haze.

I've no idea why the first coat went on perfect leaving no residue but the second layer which I applied the same way has created this mess. Washing and then buffing with QD did next to nothing.

Any ideas why the second layer has gone like this (left same amount of time) and also how am I supposed to remove it!

My only idea is to wash with dish soap and start all over with the wax.

many thanks

Dom.

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Posted 14 August 2005 - 09:26 PM

I got that with NXT as well. No idea what it was from actually. Guess I didnt get all the wax off?

I just re-washed and it came off.

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Posted 14 August 2005 - 10:22 PM

Go over the car with a quick detailer spray to clean things up. Most waxes won't just cleanly wipe off leaving a perfect finish and it's always possible to miss a spot and end up smearing it.

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Posted 14 August 2005 - 10:34 PM

Don't see that with my second coat of NXT that I applied today. Put the first coat on last weekend. Only thing I did between coats was wash a couple of times after using QD to remove seagull bombs.

How many towels did you use when removing the NXT? I have a Honda Civic and I used a total of 8 MF towels 2 for each side, 2 for the hood and grill, 2 for the trunk - trunk jam and door jams, 2 for the roof and engine compartment, and a final wipe down/polish with a polishing cloth. Could it be that the towels you are using are not taking off the product as well as they did other waxes in the past? Terry or Mircofiber?

Question, did you use NXT paste or liquid wax? And if liquid, did you shake it up the second time? (just trying to think if what might have been different the second time). Clean buffing towels? By clean I mean no fabric softner in the wash or the dryer with the cleaning and buffing towels?

Now I did notice the first time I put NXT on, that I missed some spots on the underside of the mirrors, and that felt kinda greasy the next morning, but looked like wax haze, is that what you mean?

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Posted 14 August 2005 - 10:49 PM

I think you've sussed it, my cloths may have been to blame, I only used the one second time round!

Car looks perfect in the shade, great shine but in the sun it has a greasy, spider web type haze (in the direction of the buffing) that 'moves' as you move your head.

I really don't want to remove all the wax and start again so do you think some QD and plenty of clean mf towels will do the trick?

Does anyone think cheap MF towels are a bad idea, thought it might be an idea to buy a load or should I spend more and get less?

Thanks alot

Dom

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Posted 15 August 2005 - 02:05 AM

Spend more and get more.

Compared to the investment you're caring for - your car - its not a lot of money, and they last for years if looked after properly.

I'd recommend www.pakshak.com .

Not the cheapest, but unbeaten in quality...you also get an Autopia discount.
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Posted 15 August 2005 - 02:08 PM

I think you've sussed it, my cloths may have been to blame, I only used the one second time round!


Yeah you don't want to try using just one cloth that full of was residue. While a MF cloth will hold a lot of residue, it's not going to hold that much that you can wipe it off and buff the car with one cloth. Thats why you fold a towel 4 ways, so you can flip the towel to a "CLEAN" side to continue wiping off wax and to buff the panel with a "CLEAN" side. Use all sided, you use a new "CLEAN" cloth.

Car looks perfect in the shade, great shine but in the sun it has a greasy, spider web type haze (in the direction of the buffing) that 'moves' as you move your head.


If you did in fact use powdered laundry soap, liquid fabric softener in the wash and only one rinse cycle that can really leave powder in the towels (and MF towels will hold on it powder (the do that very well with the wax residue).
Or if you used dryer sheets that's another NO NO for MF towels. Use a liquid laundry soap and try a second rinse cycle. Also helps to wash the MF towels by themselves with other MF towels only, so they don't pick up lint from other towels/laundry.

I really don't want to remove all the wax and start again so do you think some QD and plenty of clean mf towels will do the trick?


You can try to rebuff it, using CLEAN towels... THEN add more wax, allow it to dry and rebuff and see how that turns out. But you may not have an option if the coat of wax is contaminated with fabric softener being in the towels you used to wipe off the wax and buff with. That's why they say not to use fabric softener with your mircrofiber towels. It's can and often does lead to streaky looking wax/polish and quick detailing coats.

Does anyone think cheap MF towels are a bad idea, thought it might be an idea to buy a load or should I spend more and get less?
Dom


DOM for sure go with BETTER MF for buffing the wax off and polishing, they last longer and do a better job of not adding scratched to the finish. You can use the cheap stuff for door jams, the interior, glass and the engine bay. You don't want to be using anything that can add scratches to the finish, so the better MF towels will have stitching that won't scratch paint, the cheaper towels may be MF but the edges will be stitched with a heavier thread (poly or nylon) and that's not good for the finish.

As for buying a load of them, just buy good quality towels for the finish and use the cheap towels fr dirtier jobs that are not part of working on the car's paint.

Like Alfisti said, why cheap out on cleaning tools that are coming in contact with the paint? I mean it's it's the paint that you see ever single day, why not spend a little extra to help keep that investment up to par?

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Posted 15 August 2005 - 02:26 PM

I got that with NXT as well. No idea what it was from actually. Guess I didnt get all the wax off?

I just re-washed and it came off.

Probably just smearing all that silicone around.
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#9 Anthony Orosco

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Posted 15 August 2005 - 07:08 PM

Probably just smearing all that silicone around.


I was thinking the same thing!

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Posted 16 August 2005 - 06:56 AM

Let it sit longer before buffing it off.... when i started leaving it for 20+ mins, it came off nicely

#11 speedsix

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Posted 14 August 2005 - 08:17 PM

Hi there,

I clayed/cleaned and waxed my (black) car 2 weeks ago with NXT wax and it looked superb, swirling looked minimal which I was pleased with. I decided to wash and add a second layer of the NXT wax (by hand) the weekend after which seemed to go fine.
Yesterday I went to wash the car as usual and noticed in direct sunlight all panels are covered in a greasy wax haze.

I've no idea why the first coat went on perfect leaving no residue but the second layer which I applied the same way has created this mess. Washing and then buffing with QD did next to nothing.

Any ideas why the second layer has gone like this (left same amount of time) and also how am I supposed to remove it!

My only idea is to wash with dish soap and start all over with the wax.

many thanks

Dom.

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Posted 14 August 2005 - 09:26 PM

I got that with NXT as well. No idea what it was from actually. Guess I didnt get all the wax off?

I just re-washed and it came off.

#13 truzoom

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Posted 14 August 2005 - 10:22 PM

Go over the car with a quick detailer spray to clean things up. Most waxes won't just cleanly wipe off leaving a perfect finish and it's always possible to miss a spot and end up smearing it.

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Posted 14 August 2005 - 10:34 PM

Don't see that with my second coat of NXT that I applied today. Put the first coat on last weekend. Only thing I did between coats was wash a couple of times after using QD to remove seagull bombs.

How many towels did you use when removing the NXT? I have a Honda Civic and I used a total of 8 MF towels 2 for each side, 2 for the hood and grill, 2 for the trunk - trunk jam and door jams, 2 for the roof and engine compartment, and a final wipe down/polish with a polishing cloth. Could it be that the towels you are using are not taking off the product as well as they did other waxes in the past? Terry or Mircofiber?

Question, did you use NXT paste or liquid wax? And if liquid, did you shake it up the second time? (just trying to think if what might have been different the second time). Clean buffing towels? By clean I mean no fabric softner in the wash or the dryer with the cleaning and buffing towels?

Now I did notice the first time I put NXT on, that I missed some spots on the underside of the mirrors, and that felt kinda greasy the next morning, but looked like wax haze, is that what you mean?

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Posted 14 August 2005 - 10:49 PM

I think you've sussed it, my cloths may have been to blame, I only used the one second time round!

Car looks perfect in the shade, great shine but in the sun it has a greasy, spider web type haze (in the direction of the buffing) that 'moves' as you move your head.

I really don't want to remove all the wax and start again so do you think some QD and plenty of clean mf towels will do the trick?

Does anyone think cheap MF towels are a bad idea, thought it might be an idea to buy a load or should I spend more and get less?

Thanks alot

Dom

#16 Alfisti

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Posted 15 August 2005 - 02:05 AM

Spend more and get more.

Compared to the investment you're caring for - your car - its not a lot of money, and they last for years if looked after properly.

I'd recommend www.pakshak.com .

Not the cheapest, but unbeaten in quality...you also get an Autopia discount.
Paul Marmarinos
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#17 BlkBear

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Posted 15 August 2005 - 02:08 PM

I think you've sussed it, my cloths may have been to blame, I only used the one second time round!


Yeah you don't want to try using just one cloth that full of was residue. While a MF cloth will hold a lot of residue, it's not going to hold that much that you can wipe it off and buff the car with one cloth. Thats why you fold a towel 4 ways, so you can flip the towel to a "CLEAN" side to continue wiping off wax and to buff the panel with a "CLEAN" side. Use all sided, you use a new "CLEAN" cloth.

Car looks perfect in the shade, great shine but in the sun it has a greasy, spider web type haze (in the direction of the buffing) that 'moves' as you move your head.


If you did in fact use powdered laundry soap, liquid fabric softener in the wash and only one rinse cycle that can really leave powder in the towels (and MF towels will hold on it powder (the do that very well with the wax residue).
Or if you used dryer sheets that's another NO NO for MF towels. Use a liquid laundry soap and try a second rinse cycle. Also helps to wash the MF towels by themselves with other MF towels only, so they don't pick up lint from other towels/laundry.

I really don't want to remove all the wax and start again so do you think some QD and plenty of clean mf towels will do the trick?


You can try to rebuff it, using CLEAN towels... THEN add more wax, allow it to dry and rebuff and see how that turns out. But you may not have an option if the coat of wax is contaminated with fabric softener being in the towels you used to wipe off the wax and buff with. That's why they say not to use fabric softener with your mircrofiber towels. It's can and often does lead to streaky looking wax/polish and quick detailing coats.

Does anyone think cheap MF towels are a bad idea, thought it might be an idea to buy a load or should I spend more and get less?
Dom


DOM for sure go with BETTER MF for buffing the wax off and polishing, they last longer and do a better job of not adding scratched to the finish. You can use the cheap stuff for door jams, the interior, glass and the engine bay. You don't want to be using anything that can add scratches to the finish, so the better MF towels will have stitching that won't scratch paint, the cheaper towels may be MF but the edges will be stitched with a heavier thread (poly or nylon) and that's not good for the finish.

As for buying a load of them, just buy good quality towels for the finish and use the cheap towels fr dirtier jobs that are not part of working on the car's paint.

Like Alfisti said, why cheap out on cleaning tools that are coming in contact with the paint? I mean it's it's the paint that you see ever single day, why not spend a little extra to help keep that investment up to par?

#18 Intercooled

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Posted 15 August 2005 - 02:26 PM

I got that with NXT as well. No idea what it was from actually. Guess I didnt get all the wax off?

I just re-washed and it came off.

Probably just smearing all that silicone around.
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#19 Anthony Orosco

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Posted 15 August 2005 - 07:08 PM

Probably just smearing all that silicone around.


I was thinking the same thing!

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#20 Skotter

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Posted 16 August 2005 - 06:56 AM

Let it sit longer before buffing it off.... when i started leaving it for 20+ mins, it came off nicely




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