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#1 BluBrett

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Posted 26 May 2010 - 11:49 AM

I am so confused; I have never had this problem before! I can't get rid of my extremely light holograms with my random orbital and SwirlX together, the mildest thing I own.

Edit: fixed. Got a mircofiber pad.
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#2 RaskyR1

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Posted 26 May 2010 - 12:13 PM

I am so confused; I have never had this problem before! I can't get rid of my extremely light holograms with my random orbital and SwirlX together, the mildest thing I own.


What pad are you using and what type of vehicle is it?

#3 BluBrett

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Posted 26 May 2010 - 12:24 PM

I used a foam pad and then tried a Terry cloth pad, and both left holograms. I am 100% positive they are holograms because I wiped down with Dawn an then tried claying. I also QD'd it. It's a gray 2000 Chevrolet Tahoe.
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#4 RaskyR1

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Posted 26 May 2010 - 12:40 PM

I used a foam pad and then tried a Terry cloth pad, and both left holograms. I am 100% positive they are holograms because I wiped down with Dawn an then tried claying. I also QD'd it. It's a gray 2000 Chevrolet Tahoe.


The movement of a random orbital polisher doesn't leave holograms. holograms are from the circular movement of a rotary polisher.

How are Holograms Formed? – Detailed Image

Any chance you can get a pic of what your seeing? Also, what foam pad are you using? It's possible the pad itself is causing marring in the paint.

#5 BluBrett

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Posted 26 May 2010 - 12:48 PM

The movement of a random orbital polisher doesn't leave holograms. holograms are from the circular movement of a rotary polisher.

How are Holograms Formed? – Detailed Image

Any chance you can get a pic of what your seeing? Also, what foam pad are you using? It's possible the pad itself is causing marring in the paint.


I threw some NXT on to temporarily cover up whatever it is. I'll clay it again this weekend and try a different pad to remove the marring. I've never used this orbital on the Tahoe before, only on my old white Acura. Maybe I just didn't notice the marring on white.
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#6 RaskyR1

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Posted 26 May 2010 - 12:57 PM

I threw some NXT on to temporarily cover up whatever it is. I'll clay it again this weekend and try a different pad to remove the marring. I've never used this orbital on the Tahoe before, only on my old white Acura. Maybe I just didn't notice the marring on white.


What orbital do you have?

#7 BluBrett

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Posted 26 May 2010 - 04:14 PM

I just bought some microfiber pads. No more marring :)
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#8 WMD-DFW

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Posted 26 May 2010 - 04:23 PM

What orbital do you have?


:werd: Terry cloth im guessing its the $30 walmart random orbital

#9 BluBrett

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Posted 26 May 2010 - 05:14 PM

:werd: Terry cloth im guessing its the $30 walmart random orbital


Nope the $30 Pep Boys Black and Decker random orbital buffer :). It does a great job for me until I can afford another Makita.
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#10 WMD-DFW

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Posted 26 May 2010 - 05:17 PM

Yea thats not really a buffer just a high powered vibrator/wax spreader

#11 BluBrett

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Posted 26 May 2010 - 05:28 PM

Yea thats not really a buffer just a high powered vibrator/wax spreader


The main thing I was trying to remove on my 1995 Acura Legend was/is oxidation. The swirls could be worked out later, but the oxidation has to go. With the tecnique I have I can get ~85-90% correction with a random orbital buffer (at least on my Tahoe's paint.)

Edited by BluBrett, 02 July 2010 - 08:41 PM.

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#12 WMD-DFW

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Posted 26 May 2010 - 05:58 PM

You dont have a buffer

#13 WMD-DFW

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Posted 26 May 2010 - 06:00 PM

TOB = Traditional Orbital Buffer aka The Wax Spreader - Auto Geek Online Auto Detailing Forum

#14 BluBrett

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Posted 26 May 2010 - 06:19 PM

I know it wont remove anything gnarly in your finish like a rotary will, but it does remove oxidation and it does remove light swirls (even if it does take a long time) example taken a couple hours ago on my previously swirled car:

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It looked like this in the sun too, except it had the marring that the terry cloth induced.
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#15 WMD-DFW

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Posted 26 May 2010 - 06:23 PM

And your hand can do it too but prob faster and better

#16 BluBrett

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Posted 26 May 2010 - 06:30 PM

And your hand can do it too but prob faster and better


I'm not going to argue anymore. Random Orbital Polishers work great for me for the time being, for what I need.
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#17 WMD-DFW

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Posted 26 May 2010 - 06:41 PM

Im just saying dont expect a tool not made for the job be able to do the job of removing holograms effectively if it all

#18 BluBrett

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Posted 26 May 2010 - 07:03 PM

Im just saying dont expect a tool not made for the job be able to do the job of removing holograms effectively if it all


What I thought were holograms were actually marring from the terry cloth pad. It came out fine once I used a microfiber pad. Again, I'm sorry if you hate random orbitals, but it does what I want it to do until I plunk down the money for a new makita.
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#19 RaskyR1

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Posted 27 May 2010 - 04:32 AM

I just bought some microfiber pads. No more marring :)


Good to hear! :)

#20 Accumulator

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Posted 27 May 2010 - 05:49 AM

Note that while "true holograms" are a rotary-induced phenomenon, that's just a hair-splitting matter of semantics- they're marring, i.e., "scratches", just a specific type. While *some* holograms are heat related, and those can be a PIA to correct, most always they're just very light, shallow scratches.

In this case, I woulda called the marring in question "micromarring", but eh... who cares what it is as long as it gets resolved :nixweiss

BlueBrett- Once you mentioned "terry" I knew what was going on :D Glad you found the MF solution to that :xyxthumbs

With the RO you're using, I'd just give a little consideration to how well it'll break down any diminishing-abrasive product. Other than that I don't see any problem unless/until you run into situations where you need more oomph, and hey, you already *know* what it can do, huh?




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