Randy Couture vs. Brock Lesnar - Page 3

TH0001 · 09-11-08, 02:21

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Originally Posted by Neo410

WOW 7 UFC's? Thats awesome. I have been to 3 in LasVegas (Anderson Silva -vs- Lutter, Liddel -vs- Rampage and Lesner -vs- Mir). Let me tell you guy who have not seen Lesner in person..... he is HUGE. I was standing next to him at the Mandalay and he is way bigger in person than on TV.

I actually see Mir defeating Big Nog. People forget Mir was the man before his accident. If he actually trains and comes inshape thats a dangerous guy. Well see.....

It's MMA so anything can happen but Couture should take Lesner. Yes Lesner is big, strong and fast but Randy has experience. There is no subsitute for having been in a title fight before. Lesner had not been hit or grappled with a top 10 heavyweight before. Randy has. Again though this will be fun to watch either way. Big $ PPV for the UFC.

Wow, what a wierd statement. I agree to disagree with you.... Mir was the man??!! He beat Tim Syliva (because Big Tim went to the ground with him) and barely beat Wes Simms. In the meantime, Nog was over Japan beating the crap out of everybody (until Fedor showed up).

I started training in 99, went to my first UFC that year (FRANK Shamrock vs. Tito Ortiz), etc.....

Stand up- Nog by a mile. Frank has always had bad stand up, slow foot work, and looks uncomfortable. Yes he did knock out Wes Sims but so have journeymen. It only took Frank longer to do it....

Wrestling- Probably close, but Nog has taken down Mirko Cro-Cop in Pride and some pretty good wrestlers. Frank hasn't.

Grappling- Nog by a mile. Frank can submit a lot of people, but in the Grappler Quest he was easily bested by some average guys. Nog has world class Jiu-Jitsu and will make Mir look like an amature on the ground, trust me. It won't be close.

Very lopsided fight in my opinion and not worth watching.

jayjacque · 09-11-08, 08:16

I definitely go with Nog. And almost as definite with Couture. Machida another guy to look for. He handily takes care of everyone. Fighting a replacement UFC opponent for Thiago Silva at UFC 89. Should be getting a light heavyweight title shot smetime in the next year.

BigAl3 · 09-11-08, 06:22

i would have to agree about Nog. both him and his brother can take a beating and still bring it. while Mir is good, i still give the edge to Nog (more technical). the NOG brothers can't be that all that bad if they are the ones who awarded anderson silva his black belt in jui-jitsu

as i mentioned before, anything can happen in MMA...

p.s. i would love to see a re-match with the silva and liddell. not to discredit chuck, but IMO it seems that wanderlia doesn't have that fire/intensity/aggressiveness like he had in Pride since coming to the UFC...

Way2SSlow · 09-12-08, 08:48

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Originally Posted by BigAl3

p.s. i would love to see a re-match with the silva and liddell. not to discredit chuck, but IMO it seems that wanderlia doesn't have that fire/intensity/aggressiveness like he had in Pride since coming to the UFC...

Did you see the Wanderlei vs Jardine fight? I think the old Wanderlei is still alive and kickin! I think that he wasn't OVERLY aggressive and going after Chuck because Chuck is tall, had a ton of reach advantage on him and he hits like a truck. If you're a short guy who throws bombs, it's probably not a good idea to try to go after Chuck. He likes people to come after him too.

Wanderlei and Chuck are my favorite 205ers. How can you not like those guys? I about puked watching Chuck get knocked out by Rashad.

TortoiseAWD · 09-12-08, 10:02

For the Bas Rutten fans reading . . .

"Liver shot!"

Pretty much what was going through my head when Franklin delivered that fight ending body-kick to his opponent.

There's a lot of good stuff going on in other organizations besides UFC. Check out WEC events and Wreckage (WEC highlight show) on Versus . . . lots of HD fights. Affliction is a new organization that I think has only had one event, but it was a great one. "Dream" has replaced "Pride" in Japan as the ring-based MMA, and the rules are a little different. One 10 minute round, one 5 minute round, fight is scored as a whole, not on a point system . . . elbows to the head on the ground aren't allowed (reduces fight stoppages because of cuts), but knees to the head on the ground are allowed (which cuts back on guys turtling up).

I have almost every UFC and Pride event floating around somwhere on my various HDDs. I got hooked a few years ago, and the evolution of the sport has just been amazing.

Go Couture. (gotta root for the old man . . . stay off his lawn)

Tort

PrinzII · 09-12-08, 02:57

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Originally Posted by BigAl3

LOL, i was just thinking of him. he's one guy i would love to learn from! i wouldn't want to piss him off in a bar or anywhere for that matter... YouTube - How to win Bar Fights by Bas Rutten

I saw a show on the science of MMA and it featured Bas. I will agree he is scary and quite powerful (~3000 lbs of force on a punch is nothing to sneeze at).

BigAl3 · 09-12-08, 04:11

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Originally Posted by TortoiseAWD

"Dream" has replaced "Pride" in Japan as the ring-based MMA, and the rules are a little different. One 10 minute round, one 5 minute round, fight is scored as a whole, not on a point system . . . elbows to the head on the ground aren't allowed (reduces fight stoppages because of cuts), but knees to the head on the ground are allowed (which cuts back on guys turtling up).

nice! i liked Pride alot better than UFC, every match was exciting and they had top caliber international MMArtists (not to discredit alot of the UFC fighters) from around the globe...

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Originally Posted by PrinzII

I saw a show on the science of MMA and it featured Bas. I will agree he is scary and quite powerful (~3000 lbs of force on a punch is nothing to sneeze at).

yeah it's quite scary to think what Bas might want to do to you if you got in a fight/confrontation with him. Bas would be thinking... "hmm, should i break his arm, leg or neck". "nah, i'll kick him in the groin and then give a liver shot!". LOL...

Neo410 · 09-14-08, 06:32

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Originally Posted by TH0001

Wow, what a wierd statement. I agree to disagree with you.... Mir was the man??!! He beat Tim Syliva (because Big Tim went to the ground with him) and barely beat Wes Simms. In the meantime, Nog was over Japan beating the crap out of everybody (until Fedor showed up).

I started training in 99, went to my first UFC that year (FRANK Shamrock vs. Tito Ortiz), etc.....

Stand up- Nog by a mile. Frank has always had bad stand up, slow foot work, and looks uncomfortable. Yes he did knock out Wes Sims but so have journeymen. It only took Frank longer to do it....

Wrestling- Probably close, but Nog has taken down Mirko Cro-Cop in Pride and some pretty good wrestlers. Frank hasn't.

Grappling- Nog by a mile. Frank can submit a lot of people, but in the Grappler Quest he was easily bested by some average guys. Nog has world class Jiu-Jitsu and will make Mir look like an amature on the ground, trust me. It won't be close.

Very lopsided fight in my opinion and not worth watching.

Ahhh and I will agree to disagree with you too. Mir at one time was the man. He was the UFC champ. He didnt just beat Tim he broke his arm.

I would agree in saying that Pride HW were more exciting and talanted. But it's been some time now. Nog has been in battles and at some point it's going to take a toll on his body. The last BJJ fighter NOG faced was Werdum. That went to decision. Wrestling he has fought Barnett twice in the last two years. Won one and lost one. He took Mirko down but no one can claim Mirko has a good sprawl.

I like NOG but I think we will see an upset. It's just my opinion but in the wonderful world of MMA anything can and will happen (Evans vs Liddel).

BigAl3 · 09-16-08, 03:53

YouTube - Antonio "Minotauro" Nogueira Highlight

Greg Nichols · 11-13-08, 03:14

I got to spend an hour with Randy a few weeks ago and I have got to say he is the Nicest guy that I know, that has the ability to destroy most living things in short order.

When talking with him my brother said to Randy to put Brock in a toe hold and make him tap........Randy's response "I would rather just punch him in the face" he said that with the no emotion.

I call randygetting brock in a submission in the 3rd round.

BigAl3 · 11-13-08, 04:29

Brock has ALOT to learn in all aspects of MMA and definitely needs a better camp (if he hasn't found one already). if Randy goes in there with a game plan and executes it, Brock is not going to have a chance (but then again Brock is fast and strong too). i hope Randy mounts and ground and pounds him or submits him (one or if not his biggest weakness) like Frank did. anything can happen at any given second in MMA, we'll see...

Way2SSlow · 11-13-08, 04:59

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Originally Posted by BigAl3

Brock has ALOT to learn in all aspects of MMA and definitely needs a better camp (if he hasn't found one already). if Randy goes in there with a game plan and executes it, Brock is not going to have a chance (but then again Brock is fast and strong too). i hope Randy mounts and ground and pounds him or submits him (one or if not his biggest weakness) like Frank did. anything can happen at any given second in MMA, we'll see...

I dont know about Randy mounting Lesnar. Even if he gets the mount, Lesnar is so freakishly powerful, he'll probably be able to buck him off....Although, he may panic if Randy gets the mount because bucking him off probably wont be a reflex with Lesnar as he's not used to being on his back. I think Randy needs to work the jab and keep distance, because there is nobody that is going to stuff a Brock Lesnar takedown, and I dont know if there is anyone strong enough to get Lesnar off of them should he secure the mount.

I'm really pulling for Randy, but it's a tough one to pick. I wouldnt be at all suprised if Lesnar is the champ after Saturday night.