I need a zaino expert - Page 2

gmblack3a · 11-04-09, 05:49

Joe, 3 coats of Z2/5pro w/ ZFX is the max you want to apply in a 24 hour period.

Sometimes adding CS overtop of 3x of 2 or 5 will give you "product overload" and some streaking. When using CS and Z8, always apply Z8 last.

Apply all zaino products very thin.

Grzldvt · 11-08-09, 11:36

I am a California Zaino Distributor and thought I would jump in here and clear up a few facts.
First Zaino will easily last 6-9 months on a 3 coat application on a daily driver kept outside, 9-12 months on a car that is garage kept. Some of my customers with garage queens go 18-24 months.
You cannot think of Zaino as waxes and polishes under the standard nomenclature of other products. A tough one for some to get past.
ZPC and ZAIO fall roughly into the same classification, both are mildly abrasive. ZPC is a three stage versus ZAIO which is a single stage.
The difference being ZAIO also contains polish, where the ZPC does not.
If you use ZPC, you do NOT use ZAIO after it, it's waste of time.

If you did not get an incredible shine and protection from Zaino chances are high you applied it wrong/too thick. 1 oz of polish(Z-2 or Z-5) will easily do three coats on a mid-sized car. The coats you apply are barely visible, if you can see heavy streaks you put it on too thick and that will be product overload and reduce the shine. I can get three coats on a Explorer or Blazer with 1 oz, and have the customer simply blown away with the WOW factor.
I did a Mini Cooper today and used about 1/3 of an oz for three coats.

Z-2 is generally used on light colored cars and/or a top coat on all cars.
Z-5 has swirl filling properties for very, very fine swirl marks and generally used on darker colors. Fairly simple to to deal with.

ZFX is only used with Z-2 and Z-5. Because Zaino is a polymer, it really needs an agent to accelerate the curing process. ZFX also allows you to put on a MAX of three coats in a 24 hour period. It could be considered a gimmick, but it is essential for the polish to achieve maximum durability and shine.

IMO, Z-CS, Clear Seal is going to revolutionize the industry, so standby. My Clear Seal service is beginning to become my most popular service and it is very profitable.

toyotaguy · 11-09-09, 10:20

yeah that guy hit me up too Joe, I passed as I have never used the Zaino stuff! Good luck

MichaelM · 11-09-09, 10:26

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Originally Posted by Grzldvt

IMO, Z-CS, Clear Seal is going to revolutionize the industry, so standby. My Clear Seal service is beginning to become my most popular service and it is very profitable.

Isn't it basically the same as Optimum Opti-Seal?

How do you market your clear seal service?

Superior__Shine · 11-09-09, 11:15

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Originally Posted by toyotaguy

yeah that guy hit me up too Joe, I passed as I have never used the Zaino stuff! Good luck

That makes 5 of us that he has emailed now.

I also passed on the Vette guy. I don't like being told how to do something and what to use.

I convinced the first person to let me use what I normally do.

Grzldvt- thanks for your input.

MichaelSpoots · 11-09-09, 12:19

I prefer doing it my own way as well. I wouldn't choose to use a Zaino regimen again, but that Vette was a one-time thing so I could see what their lineup was like.

Scottwax · 11-09-09, 05:21

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Originally Posted by MichaelM

Isn't it basically the same as Optimum Opti-Seal?

How do you market your clear seal service?

Opti-Seal looks a lot better than Clear Seal, based on side by side use. Just as easy to use though.

Scottwax · 11-09-09, 05:26

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Originally Posted by MichaelSpoots

I prefer doing it my own way as well. I wouldn't choose to use a Zaino regimen again, but that Vette was a one-time thing so I could see what their lineup was like.

I've got a customer who likes me to use Zaino on his car. I've got ZAIO and Z5, but I don't have them with me unless I am doing his cars. Don't even use it on my own car, just like S100 and Collinite 845, the look is too "bright" to me. However, since I have some Zaino on hand and have used it several time, I don't mind applying it on a customer's car. It isn't something that is out of my comfort zone like it would be for someone who's never used it before.

When you get right down to it, I'd rather spend my time on polishing rather than layering an LSP. More bang for the buck, IMO.

Grzldvt · 11-10-09, 01:32

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Originally Posted by Scottwax

Opti-Seal looks a lot better than Clear Seal, based on side by side use. Just as easy to use though.

This is pretty tough to beat and it is 4 coats of Clear Seal and 4 coats of Grand Finale on my daily driver that has 100K miles on it. This was done about 12 months ago, and the picture was taken about 6 months later when I thought I might sell it. Today it still looks the same and I have not touched it in a year.

You are looking at about 60 minutes worth of work, including a claying.
If I were to apply a coat of Z-2/Z-5, it would come up even more.

As far as marketing the Clear Seal Service I have a fender off of my 05 Vette and have the various services outlined on it.
It gives customers a side by side comparison of the various services available.
The Clear Seal Service is a wash, a claying, two coats of Clear Seal and two coats of Z-8 Grand Finale for $100, takes me just about 30 minutes tops to complete a job when the paint is in good condition, including a quick vacuum and wipe down of the interior. Most cars are less time, as the claying is a majority of the time. If a customer wants to skip claying, or the paint doesn't really need it, then I charge $75, for about 15 minutes worth of work.
Large SUV's and Pickups, are $150, and take me about 45 minutes.
If the paint is in really poor shape, I upsell restoration services.

If Clear Seal did not give the above results, I suspect as with most Zaino products, it was applied too thick. Guilty as charged... My first Clear Seal experience was not impressive at all and I really thought I was doing it correctly. Once I learned, which was the next application I did, the results were outstanding, not as good as using Z-2, or Z-5, but for the effort it was difficult to beat.

craigdt · 11-10-09, 07:03

I have, and really enjoy Zaino Z2, but never really quite understand the obsession with "layering" and "steps". In my humble opinion, its to make guys who dont really "detail" cars feel good because they spent hours putting on a LSP. Most of it just seems like busywork.

However, I layer on Z2 w/ ZFX, so call me a hypocrite if you will.

Any quality sealant will give Zaino a run for its money, any day of the week.

gmblack3a · 11-10-09, 07:23

Bret and I where detailing a Camry back in the day. He applied opti-seal to the car while I had to tend to some business in the house. When I came out, my first question was, When are you going to apply opti-seal to the car? I honestly thought the car looked the same after a 1-step polish.

As for those who get requests to apply zaino to a clients car, just charge them more as it is a premium product. When given a choice 80% of my clients will pay more for zaino.

mborner · 11-10-09, 07:52

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Originally Posted by Grzldvt

ZPC and ZAIO fall roughly into the same classification, both are mildly abrasive.

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Originally Posted by Grzldvt

The difference being ZAIO also contains polish, where the ZPC does not.

Was that a "oops"?

Both contain mild abrasive, ZPC, more so than ZAIO. Abrasive, meaning, polish.
Personally, even though ZAIO contains a mild abrasive, it's doubtful many detailers would consider it a polish. ZPC is definitely a polish.