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Old 11-01-09, 07:55   #1 (permalink)
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Economy & Business

During these slow times that our economy is in a downward slope people don't seem to want to spend a ton on their vehicles.

So i wanted to hear some ideas as to what people are doing to keep busy in the detail world.

I would like to do some sort of One Step service to at least give off some good results on some of the vehicles that i do . . . . but im open to everyone's suggestions on the matter.

What products would you use

What services would you include . . . . and

What would you charge

Most people just want a basic full detail but i'm not always happy in the end with the results since a lot of people here have swirled up cars.

Advice?

Thanks in advance.
 
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Old 11-01-09, 08:56   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Economy & Business

Well it depends. If you have current clients you can offer a "recession buster"

But for new clients and don't lower your standards. If you leave with a swirled up car. Chances are your not coming back for another detail.

I'd say cut back expenses where you can. And try to ride the storm out.
 
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Old 11-01-09, 09:02   #3 (permalink)
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Well it depends. If you have current clients you can offer a "recession buster"

But for new clients and don't lower your standards. If you leave with a swirled up car. Chances are your not coming back for another detail.

I'd say cut back expenses where you can. And try to ride the storm out.
Sorry i seem to be a bit slow tonight. LoL.

Don't lower my standards you say? Well i hope that you don't think that the swirled up cars are from me, but i think i understand what you are saying.

The type of work i enjoy doing such as corrective work just seems to be few and far between here.

What i don't like is when people call and they just want a wash and wax type service but when you show up the paint is filled with swirls, feels rough and dry and in your mind it's pretty much like why would you want to wax and preserve a surface like that rather then have it properly prepped and then protected you know?

So i guess right now i'm looking for something i can offer that will offer some decent results without me having to charge $400 for a corrective type detail.

I don't have much over head right now as i am mobile but do have other bills. I can't wait until next month as it will be my last month with the yellow pages. That was a absolute waste of $2,400 for the year.

Worst investment ever.
 
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Old 11-01-09, 09:23   #4 (permalink)
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Yellow pages investment. Live and learn my friend. It happens But now you know it dosen't work and you can try advertising elsewhere.

I understand what your saying. Its hard, But try educating the customer. Explain to them about the surface and what you feel you should do. And after the good cleansing that your services are cheaper with regular maintenance.

Explain to them in terms they would understand. Its like building a house. You start with a foundation. But you want a good foundation. This is what clay bar and polish are for. It gives your color/clear a good clean to start with. Now you start building. the frame. wax/sealant. And then the final touches. Yano siding and such. The things that make it pretty
 
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Sorry i seem to be a bit slow tonight. LoL.

Don't lower my standards you say? Well i hope that you don't think that the swirled up cars are from me, but i think i understand what you are saying.

The type of work i enjoy doing such as corrective work just seems to be few and far between here.

What i don't like is when people call and they just want a wash and wax type service but when you show up the paint is filled with swirls, feels rough and dry and in your mind it's pretty much like why would you want to wax and preserve a surface like that rather then have it properly prepped and then protected you know?

So i guess right now i'm looking for something i can offer that will offer some decent results without me having to charge $400 for a corrective type detail.

I don't have much over head right now as i am mobile but do have other bills. I can't wait until next month as it will be my last month with the yellow pages. That was a absolute waste of $2,400 for the year.

Worst investment ever.
i drove by a dealership the other day in my town and there was a sign on the window stating auto detailing anycar 89.99 in and out!! how the hell you supposed to compet wioth that . also i saw recently a few flyers on telephone poles from maybe young kids saying auto detailing 65.00 in and out.. maybe its the area i live in but people just look out for nice cheap deals on detailing . and could care less about true correction . and are just as happy with a quick cleanup and tires dressed with slimy dressing and windows cleaned.
 
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i drove by a dealership the other day in my town and there was a sign on the window stating auto detailing anycar 89.99 in and out!! how the hell you supposed to compet wioth that . also i saw recently a few flyers on telephone poles from maybe young kids saying auto detailing 65.00 in and out.. maybe its the area i live in but people just look out for nice cheap deals on detailing . and could care less about true correction . and are just as happy with a quick cleanup and tires dressed with slimy dressing and windows cleaned.
That's my point. We got some hacks locally. As im sure that most of you all have them too. I try my best to keep up with who is opening up shop etc. It's always nice to be on top of your competition you know . . . . . most of them end up going out of business.

People In this economy want cheap or free stuff. Like you mentioned above, how do you compete with that?

I guess education, professionalism and quality of work.

I need idea's as to what other forms of advertising would work. I'm working on a website right now but YELLOW PAGES is out of the question.
 
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Old 11-02-09, 12:24   #7 (permalink)
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BTW does anyone know how to contact: scottwax

as he does not accept private messages . . . . wouldn't mind hearing his thoughts as he is a pretty well respected detailer here
 
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Don't get hung up on paint correction. Offer great deals on just wash and waxes, interior cleans and engine bay details.
 
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Old 11-02-09, 06:23   #9 (permalink)
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A lot of people swear by Meguiar's D151 as an AIO.
 
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A lot of people swear by Meguiar's D151 as an AIO.
i have been dying to try that. i have read a lot about it, but some people say it isn't very good as well.
 
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During these slow times that our economy is in a downward slope people don't seem to want to spend a ton on their vehicles.

So i wanted to hear some ideas as to what people are doing to keep busy in the detail world.

I would like to do some sort of One Step service to at least give off some good results on some of the vehicles that i do . . . . but im open to everyone's suggestions on the matter.

What products would you use

What services would you include . . . . and

What would you charge

Most people just want a basic full detail but i'm not always happy in the end with the results since a lot of people here have swirled up cars.

Advice?

Thanks in advance.
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That's my point. We got some hacks locally. As im sure that most of you all have them too. I try my best to keep up with who is opening up shop etc. It's always nice to be on top of your competition you know . . . . . most of them end up going out of business.

People In this economy want cheap or free stuff. Like you mentioned above, how do you compete with that?

I guess education, professionalism and quality of work.

I need idea's as to what other forms of advertising would work. I'm working on a website right now but YELLOW PAGES is out of the question.
I think you answered your own question for the most part... Education, good marketing (of yourself, not your detailing business, if that makes sense) and quality work will get you far and keep clients coming.

As for one step services, this is what I offer, it's what has worked great for me and it is my main service, so take it for what it's worth.

I call it a Light Polish Detail. It's between a Wash&Wax and a Stage I Correction Detail on my list of paint maintenance/correction services. I do not use one-step products however, because I really see no need for it when a dedicated polish (M205 99% of the time for me) and a dedicated sealant/wax (KSG 99.9% of the time for me) will get me better results as far as finish goes and also protect longer than any AIO out there, for only an additional 20-30 minutes that it takes to apply/remove the LSP.

The most important part of offering the service is explaining to your clients what it is and explaining it well. You want to educate the clients that the one-step will remove light surface scratches/swirl marks and bring the paint color back to life, but it will not correct much of the deeper defects, especially since you need to balance correction with final finish (I lean toward final finish because I'd rather remove less swirlmarks and have no holograms than more swirls and leave holograms).

This has worked great for me in two ways...

One is that a certain amount of potential clients will opt for Stage I Correction simply because they want more correction from the paint as it's usually 'only' 1/4-1/3 of the LPD price (for example LPD for a 99 M3 is $300 and S1C is $400, so it's not too much more for a lot more correction).

Second way it's working great for me is a bit different, and one I actually prefer on most new clients' cars. Basically I market the LPD as a service for people who plan on keeping their cars for a longer period of time (3-4+ years) and recommend it once or twice per year. This way, say we start at paint being at 50%. Then let's say an LPD will make it 80% and S1C 90-95%+. Winter washing will take either back to 70-75%. Then another LPD after winter will make the previous car that got an LPD close to 90% because most of the old, deep swirls will improve and new ones will be very light and correct easily, and the car that got S1C will be around 90% once again. So the only downside is the client living with 80% instead of 90% for 6-8 months (not counting winter) but that's easily offset with spending less money and having more paint on the car, allowing more LPDs in the long run.

Hope that helps and makes sense haha.
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Old 11-02-09, 11:40   #12 (permalink)
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Wow. Thanks ivan. Some wise words in there. Now i just need to sit down and really soak it in. Still feel a bit sleepy.

so would you say that i should stay away from Meguiars reconditioning cream and use something like m205?

im Just looking for good results yet cost effective. I never thought to use m205 but have read a lot of good results with folks using the megs cream.

$300 sounds pretty fair. How long does that normally take you?

thanks again.
 
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