Economy & Business

[lecchilo]

Originally Posted by vtec92civic

Wow. Thanks ivan. Some wise words in there. Now i just need to sit down and really soak it in. Still feel a bit sleepy.

so would you say that i should stay away from Meguiars reconditioning cream and use something like m205?

im Just looking for good results yet cost effective. I never thought to use m205 but have read a lot of good results with folks using the megs cream.

$300 sounds pretty fair. How long does that normally take you?

thanks again.

I can't tell you what you should or shouldn't do because everyone has their preferences, but for me, any AIO along with Meg's 151 is simply not worth it because you don't get nearly the same results yet you've wasted nearly the same amount of time as you would in a typical polish & wax detail.

Many will argue for the AIOs but I simply think, and know from experience, that I or anyone can get a lot of correction done with a typical one step with a dedicated polish (I mention M205 because I've been using it lately with Meg's 8006 pad more than anything because it cuts ridiculously well and finishes perfectly on everything but some softer paints, on which it'll finish great with a finishing pad only) then a sealant or wax. Don't get me wrong, M205 won't do the same work as the cream (AIO and hiding swirls better), I simply mentioned it because it's great for a 1-step polishing, not one step all-in-one.

As for the $300, I just threw that out there. I typically charge about $250-300 for that year M3 and it takes about 5-6hrs. Every car is different so you never know.

[Scottwax]

You want decent correction and protection quick? Meguiars D151 and Optimum Opti-Seal. #205 also works well but D151 is about the same for a gallon as #205 is for a quart.

[vtec92civic]

Originally Posted by Scottwax

You want decent correction and protection quick? Meguiars D151 and Optimum Opti-Seal. #205 also works well but D151 is about the same for a gallon as #205 is for a quart.

i guess everyone has their own kind of system that works.

Thanks for responding scott and ivan as well.

Does Meguiars D151 fill in swirls and things of that nature or does it correct them?

I know you have used this stuff a lot on your details. Ivan stated to use M205 as it finishes nice and you can get much better results from it vs something like a AIO.

I have never even used AIO's so i really couldn't speak on it. I would like to have some decent end results but not spend all day on one vehicle like i'm doing a full on correction as people here for the most part won't pay for something like that.

M205 sounds promising but so does D151. I'm a little confused now.

[Scottwax]

D151 does decent correction via RO polisher, holograms with a rotary so I only use it with my G110.

I use both D151 and #205. Mostly use D151 on basic (1 polishing step details) where the paint needs cleaning and correction but the owner isn't necessarily interested in paying for full correction and it plays very well with Opti-Seal. I mostly use #205 as a follow-up step to #105 with a rotary, although I also use it in basic details.

[vtec92civic]

Originally Posted by Scottwax

D151 does decent correction via RO polisher, holograms with a rotary so I only use it with my G110.

I use both D151 and #205. Mostly use D151 on basic (1 polishing step details) where the paint needs cleaning and correction but the owner isn't necessarily interested in paying for full correction and it plays very well with Opti-Seal. I mostly use #205 as a follow-up step to #105 with a rotary, although I also use it in basic details.

so Megs D151 you would recommend to use a RO then? That might put that out of the question. All i have on hand right now is my Makita Rotary.

I might need to pick up both products or all three that you are mentioning.

Your use for the Megs D151 is what i am looking to use it for. I would like to use it to provide the customer with a less expensive alternative to a full paint correction allowing them to see what a true detail can offer them and the quality of work that can be provided. Hopefully that would in turn open some doors for future full on corrections and what not.

I would PM you about this stuff but i know you don't accept PM's so this is the only way for now.

Then you mentioned the Optimum Opti-Seal . . . . . that can be applied by buffer or by hand? Sorry never used that either.

[Scottwax]

YouTube - Applying Optimum Opti-Seal

[vtec92civic]

Originally Posted by Scottwax

YouTube - Applying Optimum Opti-Seal

damn you're good. LoL

[lecchilo]

Originally Posted by vtec92civic

i guess everyone has their own kind of system that works.

Thanks for responding scott and ivan as well.

Does Meguiars D151 fill in swirls and things of that nature or does it correct them?

I know you have used this stuff a lot on your details. Ivan stated to use M205 as it finishes nice and you can get much better results from it vs something like a AIO.

I have never even used AIO's so i really couldn't speak on it. I would like to have some decent end results but not spend all day on one vehicle like i'm doing a full on correction as people here for the most part won't pay for something like that.

M205 sounds promising but so does D151. I'm a little confused now.

There's not much to be confused about actually.

Scott basically uses D151 somewhere between my Light Polish Detail (1-step polishing) with M205 and a sealant and a regular wash & wax. It won't correct as much as M205 on rotary and probably won't last as long as KSG or something similar (never tested D151 durability so don't hate me D151 lovers haha) but it does some correction and it's much better for reviving the paint than a simple wash & wax, especially if clay is used beforehand.

This is why D151 is promising and widely used, because it's a good service to offer for those who want a bit more than a simple wash & wax, while you also don't have to really work it toward swirl removal and much correction. M205 is simply amazing in that it cuts very very well even on harder paints but finishes perfect on everything but very soft clear coats, which require something like PO85RD, FPII or similar.

You'll basically have to try both on the same car (do your own or friend's or parent's car...) and figure out which works better for you, and offer both if you come to that conclusion...

I'm sure it won't be hard to get a 4-8oz. sample of each for $5 or so from a member here... hell I'll even do it if I get time to go by the post office (I work 8-5 Mon-Fri and detail 8-6/7 weekends so really have no time for stuff like that)

[vtec92civic]

Originally Posted by Scottwax

YouTube - Applying Optimum Opti-Seal

Hahaha crap! That's Opti-Seal i must have got it mixed up with some other stuff. Man someone i knew was selling some of that stuff for cheap too. Makes me wish i jumped on it!

Pretty amazing on how it just disappears.

[vtec92civic]

Originally Posted by lecchilo

There's not much to be confused about actually.

Scott basically uses D151 somewhere between my Light Polish Detail (1-step polishing) with M205 and a sealant and a regular wash & wax. It won't correct as much as M205 on rotary and probably won't last as long as KSG or something similar (never tested D151 durability so don't hate me D151 lovers haha) but it does some correction and it's much better for reviving the paint than a simple wash & wax, especially if clay is used beforehand.

This is why D151 is promising and widely used, because it's a good service to offer for those who want a bit more than a simple wash & wax, while you also don't have to really work it toward swirl removal and much correction. M205 is simply amazing in that it cuts very very well even on harder paints but finishes perfect on everything but very soft clear coats, which require something like PO85RD, FPII or similar.

You'll basically have to try both on the same car (do your own or friend's or parent's car...) and figure out which works better for you, and offer both if you come to that conclusion...

I'm sure it won't be hard to get a 4-8oz. sample of each for $5 or so from a member here... hell I'll even do it if I get time to go by the post office (I work 8-5 Mon-Fri and detail 8-6/7 weekends so really have no time for stuff like that)

Wow busy man Ivan. I totally thought you did the detail thing full time. I could use to test it on a family members car or even my own. Recently purchased a brand new car and it has a ton of marring on it so that might be a great time to test that out.

Like you mentioned . . . . . i might just have to test them both out and see what fits into place and what i can offer in terms of finishing down, time and price.

Might have to place a order soon.

What's the pad of choice now days? I have only been using CCS but i have been hearing so much about flat pads i think i'm going to make the switch to either just LC Flats or the Hydro Tech pads.

Wanted to try the Uber pads but some say the foam isn't that great.

One last thing. SCOTT or IVAN . . . . how would you go about cleaning the wax applicators (orange meguiars type).

[jaynick808]

Originally Posted by vtec92civic

Hahaha crap! That's Opti-Seal i must have got it mixed up with some other stuff. Man someone i knew was selling some of that stuff for cheap too. Makes me wish i jumped on it!

Pretty amazing on how it just disappears.

optiseal is hella cheap, its the cheapest wowa sealant(under 25 for 8oz). i can send u some upgp if u want. its pretty much the same thing.


also i got a fresh bottle of 205 that u can also have a sample of lol.
if u dont like the 205 then u can buy a gal of d151 and send ME a sample hehehe

[vtec92civic]

Originally Posted by jaynick808

optiseal is hella cheap, its the cheapest wowa sealant(under 25 for 8oz). i can send u some upgp if u want. its pretty much the same thing.


also i got a fresh bottle of 205 that u can also have a sample of lol.
if u dont like the 205 then u can buy a gal of d151 and send ME a sample hehehe

hahahaha Jay! Wassssssup man. I'll take you up on that offer man. Let me know when you can jam some over my way. I can PM you my address on the other forum.

You ever try those Hydro Tech pads or what?