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David Fermani · 09-19-09, 06:42

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Originally Posted by bufferbarry

II'm a amazed that not many people here use other products. Like malco, Automagic, Ardex. or if they are there not admitting to it. lol I just think there are so many other gret products out there.

I actually love Auto Magic and still have a bunch of Ardex that I'm trying to kill right now.

bufferbarry · 09-19-09, 06:51

What ardex are you trying to kill? I may take it off ya.

Jakerooni · 09-19-09, 06:57

Dave what exactly is that supposed to mean?

Got_Leather · 09-19-09, 07:25

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Originally Posted by bufferbarry

Dj I like ya a lot bro you know that. Man I just can see how you use them purple foam pads though. lmao!

HAHA do what??

David Fermani · 09-20-09, 03:47

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Originally Posted by bufferbarry

What ardex are you trying to kill? I may take it off ya.

Oh no. I'm keeping them.

I've got ATTACK HD / Car Wash Soap / Speedy Brightener / Details / A-Spot / A-Foam

JohnKleven · 09-20-09, 06:41

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Originally Posted by gmblack3a

Sorry but your post reeks of ignorance.

I'm not trying to sound ignorant, but I'm sure you will agree with me that a Rotary polisher will correct and finish best, then a D.A. like a Cyclo or Flex, then a D.A. like a PC is on a even lower level. I "own" a PC and don't use it. I find it vibrates your hands off while using it, and also will only polish out swirls and minor scratches. I guess in theory you could get wetsanding scratches out with a PC, but it would take a LONG time. TOO long if you ask me. Very often when we detail a car we wetsand scratches all around the vehicle with 2000 grit.

John

Scottwax · 09-20-09, 07:34

I played around with the KB method today on a jet black BMW 550 that had rotary swirls. Using an orange soft edge cutting pad, I primed it well with #105 and got busy with my G110. Seemed to do a really good job cutting out the swirls, a little better in fact, than my rotary with #205 and a yellow Meguiars polishing pad-and my Dewalt and #105 with a yellow Meguiars polishing pad was holograming almost as bad as the dealership hack did.

The only problem was the hazing from #105/orange via G110 which took my Dewalt and #205 to remove-and unlike on most paints, I couldn't get #205 to finish hologram free so I had to follow with Ultrafina-twice in a couple areas. The paint was really soft.

I'll have to play around with the method a bit more on more typically hard clears to see how well it works and if it in fact does save time. So far the results are a bit mixed.

Picus · 09-20-09, 07:46

I have not had great luck with KBM on some of the softer paints (2007+ bmw black, subbies, etc), it's been pretty amazing on average->hard paints. I may be doing something wrong on the softer paints but I don't think so.

Got_Leather · 09-20-09, 07:53

To each it's own. I'm not going to spend 10 hours with a PC in my hand with all those vibrations. I still use my PC on 90% of my details depending on the LSP.

Scottwax · 09-20-09, 08:01

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Originally Posted by Picus

I have not had great luck with KBM on some of the softer paints (2007+ bmw black, subbies, etc), it's been pretty amazing on average->hard paints. I may be doing something wrong on the softer paints but I don't think so.

What are you using on those softer paints? That black 550 was a PITA and I've got a similarly hologrammed jet black 335 coming up. First time in a long time I couldn't get #205 to finish hologram free.

rydawg · 09-20-09, 08:03

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Originally Posted by JohnKleven

I'm not trying to sound ignorant, but I'm sure you will agree with me that a Rotary polisher will correct and finish best, then a D.A. like a Cyclo or Flex, then a D.A. like a PC is on a even lower level. I "own" a PC and don't use it. I find it vibrates your hands off while using it, and also will only polish out swirls and minor scratches. I guess in theory you could get wetsanding scratches out with a PC, but it would take a LONG time. TOO long if you ask me. Very often when we detail a car we wetsand scratches all around the vehicle with 2000 grit.

John

I use to think the same way until I tried a pc and learned some amazing techniques on my own. I now understand why and how it can correct so good on some paints at most times. I actually love doing quickie correction jobs now and have found that they are my best money makers because of this machine.

Rickrack and I were anti-pc guys last year and could not understand all the hoopla over this. We thought a lot of people were drinking that moonshine.

Fast forward 6 months ago to now and we are blown away at some of the jobs that we have done with the pc. Not only the amazing correction and perfection that was achieved, but mainly the short amount of time it actually took to achieve it in.

I am not saying it will work on everything, and there are times that a rotory is heavily needed, but there are a lot of jobs that we will only bust out the pc's.

Think about this.... Would you sand out a car to perfection with a grinder or a random orbital?

Also, this is coming from me, a guy that has mastered over 1000 cars in the past 21 years with only a rotory.

rydawg · 09-20-09, 08:13

Sometimes 205 will not work on softer black paints. It's amazing on harder metallics though.