my apologies

bufferbarry · 02-22-09, 10:35

ok guys this is my apologies to tyler holdon or holdon_c4. now i know this thread is for before and afters but i think my apologie will be seen more here so i posted it here! over the last few days we all know and seen what has become of this guy. me at the moment got caught up in a frenzie of this guy who beliitled other members and truthfully i think hurt an image as a PROFESSIONAL DETAILER. by no means am i saying im the best nor do i portray that. what i am saying is i dedicated the last 11 years to this business and over time i have suffered from beginers who say i can do this and ruin a car, and then hurt the image of other detailers who make a living and put food on there plates, and family members plates by honest hardwork in this business. ill admit i over reactted and trashed this kid for the things i thought he did wrong. ill admit i still feel what he did was wrong, but my apology is for my over reacting and not being professional about it. instaed of offering some advice i belittled him. to me im just as much of a culprit as he is. so tyler i am sorry. i was raised to have integrity and i stand by it! i will learn from this and hopefully you and others do. so in the mean time thank you for reading this. again im sorry!

barry!

BigAl3 · 02-22-09, 10:52

while there are always two sides to every story (i'm not sticking up for anyone), this should of been handled through pm's/phone conversation (if it were possible) to hopefully resolve the issue with apologies, miscommunication, etc, etc,.. sometimes you just invite others to participate with negative energy when they don't know the whole story and if it was any/part of their business in the first place.. in anycase... i don't like seeing drama like this, I Love Autopia for the more positive aspects that we all have known to admire and love...

Apollo_Auto · 02-22-09, 10:55

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Originally Posted by bufferbarry

ok guys this is my apologies to tyler holdon or holdon_c4. now i know this thread is for before and afters but i think my apologie will be seen more here so i posted it here! over the last few days we all know and seen what has become of this guy. me at the moment got caught up in a frenzie of this guy who beliitled other members and truthfully i think hurt an image as a PROFESSIONAL DETAILER. by no means am i saying im the best nor do i portray that. what i am saying is i dedicated the last 11 years to this business and over time i have suffered from beginers who say i can do this and ruin a car, and then hurt the image of other detailers who make a living and put food on there plates, and family members plates by honest hardwork in this business. ill admit i over reactted and trashed this kid for the things i thought he did wrong. ill admit i still feel what he did was wrong, but my apology is for my over reacting and not being professional about it. instaed of offering some advice i belittled him. to me im just as much of a culprit as he is. so tyler i am sorry. i was raised to have integrity and i stand by it! i will learn from this and hopefully you and others do. so in the mean time thank you for reading this. again im sorry!

barry!

Well said Barry. You're a good man and I don't care what anyone says about you

! As for Tyler bashing, yeah he's probably had enough so I speak for myself when I say that I'm laying off (Hulk voice: MUST RESIST!). He knows he flubbed up big-time and so does the rest of the world... or at least 1/4 of it anyway (it's still early). If what I said about him is considered as bashing (I just stated the facts and my opinions) I won't apologize for them and Mr. Norwood knows exactly why (also for putting my company's name at risk because of your fiasco).

I say we just let the thing go, retract our fangs and let it be a lesson to all of us, as our words shall not inflict any more harm on Tyler than his own hands have already done.

I sure the hell hope I never screw up that badly!

gmblack3a · 02-22-09, 11:00

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Originally Posted by BigAl3

while there are always two sides to every story (i'm not sticking up for anyone), this should of been handled through pm's/phone conversation (if it were possible) to hopefully resolve the issue with apologies, miscommunication, etc, etc,.. sometimes you just invite others to participate with negative energy when they don't know the whole story and if it was any/part of their business in the first place.. in anycase... i don't like seeing drama like this, I Love Autopia for the more positive aspects that we all have known to admire and love...

Al, I always like how helpful you are to detailers, but we can't stick out heads in the sand and pretend like it never happened. IMO if I knew of this situation and did not disclose it, I feel that I would be as guily as he is. What happens if there where more dishonest people and we just kept it private and let them get away with it. More and more cleints would never trust a detailer.

Apollo_Auto · 02-22-09, 11:05

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Originally Posted by BigAl3

while there are always two sides to every story (i'm not sticking up for anyone), this should of been handled through pm's/phone conversation (if it were possible) to hopefully resolve the issue with apologies, miscommunication, etc, etc,.. sometimes you just invite others to participate with negative energy when they don't know the whole story and if it was any/part of their business in the first place.. in anycase... i don't like seeing drama like this, I Love Autopia for the more positive aspects that we all have known to admire and love...

Actually, after reading the threads I discovered that this issue was in fact attempted to be handled in a civil and private manner. The parties involved were just doing what they had to do to shed some light on the subject as the guilty party wasn't responding. Also, this is a public forum, designed to let people know what you are and aren't capable of doing, and for others to do so to you, as well.

DavidB · 02-22-09, 11:44

Barry,

Very good of you to speak up like this.

I think it is pretty rare when anyone does something so bad that their reputation should be completely trashed in public. It simply isn't necessary. We all make mistakes, and often times we don't handle our mistakes in the best way.

I try my best to give people the benefit of the doubt. Burn me once, shame on you. Burn me twice, shame on me. That said, I always feel better when I at least give a person a chance to redeem themselves.

We don't know all of the facts here. Quite possibly, we never will. And that issue alone makes it necessary to have more patience in on-line communities.

NSXTASY · 02-22-09, 12:49

From what I have read, the accusations are based on the story from one customer. It seems that many here have made judgments and statements that may be unfounded and quite harsh.

People sure are quick to jump on the hateWagonMobRule in general.

Correct me if I am wrong.

TH0001 · 02-22-09, 01:03

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Originally Posted by NSXTASY

From what I have read, the accusations are based on the story from one customer. It seems that many here have made judgments and statements that may be unfounded and quite harsh.

People sure are quick to jump on the hateWagonMobRule in general.

Correct me if I am wrong.

I have seen the vehicle in question and can verify the damage done. That said I should have been more resonpsible with my original post and while I did try to avoid any bashing (I believe I did) I shoulder some responsiblity for stirring the stories that where floating around on the net and putting them in a mixing bowl.

David and I have pm'd over this, and while I don't completely agree with his decision, I am going to respect his wish that I take a volunteery time out. My verison of the truth is that I don't feel bad necessarly for the party in question, but I do feel bad for dragging this forum for the drama involved with my post. This is David's business and he HAS to make sure that drama is kept to a minimum. I'll see you guys in 60 days and I am sorry for dragging this to autopia.org!

Todd

NSXTASY · 02-22-09, 01:25

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Originally Posted by TH0001

I'll see you guys in 60 days and I am sorry for dragging this to autopia.org!

Todd

Selective Prosecution or did you do something unique from others?

David Fermani · 02-22-09, 01:32

That's sucks....
I also understand where both DavidB & Todd are coming from, but I don't feel 1 bit bad for the guilty party and I am sorry that this forum has somehow received a temporary "black eye" for this activity. (Even though memberships probably went up.

) Things *could* take a turn for the better if the person in question rectified his poor decisions and took responsibity for his misjudegement. He'd still be a hack in my book though.

BigAl3 · 02-22-09, 01:43

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Originally Posted by DavidB

I think it is pretty rare when anyone does something so bad that their reputation should be completely trashed in public. It simply isn't necessary. We all make mistakes, and often times we don't handle our mistakes in the best way.

I try my best to give people the benefit of the doubt. Burn me once, shame on you. Burn me twice, shame on me. That said, I always feel better when I at least give a person a chance to redeem themselves.

We don't know all of the facts here. Quite possibly, we never will. And that issue alone makes it necessary to have more patience in on-line communities.

well said...

Flashtime · 02-22-09, 02:16

We're all human; especially the ones that claim to be more.

I've done things much worse at his age. So, no stones to cast. Just a few pebbles...