New Detailers Association - Page 4

rydawg · 01-14-09, 12:26

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Originally Posted by bufferbarry

this kills me when i see this.... have you ever wetsanded a whole panel? ever attempt to reflo paint? i wonder if you understand what true paint correction is? i wonder what rydawg or ricrack or todd helme would say about this comment?

They have no idea Barry. They sit behind a desk and try to figure out how to get money for the association and give you a license which means you paid your dues for the year in actual reality.

Some people only see the simple things of the business as cleaning cars for a fixed price and that's fine if that is what one does. When it comes to wetsanding, polishing 3-million steps, they do not even have a clue on what it actually takes. But don't give them ideas, because they will have a separate "certified paint correction" association.

What they do not see is that some people have strong passion for this business and want to excell above their competition.

I think what he meant when he put that comment like that is,"anyone that can clean cars will get certified''.
Plus the statement was made 5 years ago.

SoCalB6 · 01-17-09, 10:44

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Originally Posted by Showroom Shine

Another One! Keep it up and these Associations will be asking for a Bail - Out.
I have been keeping up with the talk of the new groups. Bud and some of his buddies started all this. Most of these guys are rich or well to do, own car washes ,detail shops, etc. They have been in the game for quite a while too. They make good money too. I always get the feeling that they are trying to corner the market,in their perspective areas. Most started out detailing, opened shops,started selling their own products, training etc. I do not have a problem with the Associations, but I think some of the fees are unreasonable. Pay to join a group with little to no benifits. Even if there was a way to say Certify a Pro Detailer, does a customer care,and are they willing to pay what the person is worth? So you put the business in your directry. Big Huh Hah to me! I get the feeling alot of it is about greed. That's why this nation is in the shape it is in now. If the Big Boys would have spread things out a little more even, you would not have a select few making it or suffering. It's going to take alot to get the guys that are in business to go for this ,IMO.
I was a Certified Welder for the State Of Ohio. That certification meant something. I made Train Scales that are all over the US and abroad. The company I worked for took care of all fees and licencing. I did the work, and was paid well. I understood this,but these Detailing Organizations? I wonder! Is anyone feeling ME?

Yea, pretty much. No one does anything for free. If we (humans) were real altruists, I think we'd be in big trouble.

What I have found is (in general and on here as well) when someone is running around preaching on a certain product, service, belief and why you should do this or that, it is certainly to their benefit ( no duh, huh) and they already have a hidden agenda behind it.

jdoria · 01-17-09, 11:00

In the IT business, there are MCSE and PMP certifications to name a few.

Then the "associations" come in from those mailing lists and try to collect $500 a piece per year so you can receive yet another newsletter with dribble on it. Anyone read the misery on TechRepublic forums?

The certs have been totally abused by sharks who learned how to exploit free education grants to minorities from the government. They scour the streets for qualified applicants, have them sign the grant, then dump them in a 5 day class to learn how to create AD accounts and set up DNS all with no charge to the student. Suddenly their social security number is pounded when the "grant" didn't cover the 100% tuition of the "school". Here comes the collection agency to the rescue, and some poor kids credit is ruined.

In my office, we used to call the candidates that had MCSE status listed on their resumes as their key attribute, MCSG's. - Microsoft Certified Security Guards.

As for PMP's - A certified Burger King Process Handbook Writer.

Just be completely aware of what the certs are worth and what an association is going to do for you. If you are good, you need NONE OF THIS.

SoCalB6 · 01-17-09, 11:12

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Originally Posted by jdoria

In the IT business, there are MCSE and PMP certifications to name a few.

Then the "associations" come in from those mailing lists and try to collect $500 a piece per year so you can receive yet another newsletter with dribble on it. Anyone read the misery on TechRepublic forums?

The certs have been totally abused by sharks who learned how to exploit free education grants to minorities from the government. They scour the streets for qualified applicants, have them sign the grant, then dump them in a 5 day class to learn how to create AD accounts and set up DNS all with no charge to the student. Suddenly their social security number is pounded when the "grant" didn't cover the 100% tuition of the "school". Here comes the collection agency to the rescue, and some poor kids credit is ruined.

In my office, we used to call the candidates that had MCSE status listed on their resumes as their key attribute, MCSG's. - Microsoft Certified Security Guards.

As for PMP's - A certified Burger King Process Handbook Writer.

Just be completely aware of what the certs are worth and what an association is going to do for you. If you are good, you need NONE OF THIS.

I was going to add this to my previous post as an edit, but you took the words from me

Referrals, don't need much else...

Showroom Shine · 01-17-09, 12:59

Well, I bit the bullet and payed my $50. I have yet to hear from these people. IF I don't hear something by Tuesday of next week I will file a complaint with the BBB and US Attorney Generals Office. Then they wonder why we don't join these freaking BS associations. I'm pissed! Thing of it is WE Detailers don't need them. They need US. I learned another good ,lesson here. The next time they will have to pass a law to make me join! OH it's the IDA!!

Just went out to get my mail. I have a certificate for my $50 that says I'm a member of the International Detailers Association. Whatever that means. I don't see any benefits. I hope you all have heard me!

jdoria · 01-17-09, 01:19

When something is new or unknown, but needed, hiring manager and consumers dont know how to qualify.

Hence the rush on Cisco and Microsoft certifications in the late 90's. No hiring manager knew how to interview or qualify the person doing the work. Hence, the certification! Lazy hiring managers would ask for certified candidates hoping that this somehow made them knowledgeable enough to complete the tasks the company needed done.
After the hiring managers were burnt enough, this fell off.

These certifications and associations are intended to comfort or ease the hiring/buying process for the needy unknowing.

So do I think there is a need for a detailing association? No.

Think of the size of the NADA (National Association of Auto Dealers) and the breadth of services they provide. People and dealers still get burned every single minute on cars. But here is some valuable data for the used car guys that I like to read: http://www.nada.com/b2b/moreinfo/200...135253663-7640

What data is of value specifically to a detailer, can you collect and provide?
What classes / testing / certifications would be of value and where would you hold them?

Most important - How will you let the entire USA know the value you offer as an association and make them hungry to only use an XYZ certified detailer?

First objective of an association should be to get the ear of the consumer. Then worry about lining up the detailers. If someone calls a detailer for a correction and asks, "Are you XYZ certified"? You can bet that detailer will find your XYZ certification program and send you $50.

Relaited · 03-23-09, 06:30

I think the industry does need some sort of an organization to help elevate the industry standards.

Personally, I have a low opinion of the industry. Sure there are some good detailers, and even fewer that combine that with good business skills.

I talk to Cities all the time, and they have an even lower opinion of our industry than I do. And for that you should be nervous.

I think a strong industry Association, that can generate credibility, is important for the future of our industry.

Somehow, we need to weed out the folks that can come in for short money, grab a bucket & hose and call themselves a professional detailer.

And for that, I think one needs to be prepared to give more than they get, and there in lies the challenge.

in my opinion.

-jim

Jakerooni · 03-23-09, 07:00

Why did this get brought up after 5 years??? Do people not even look at dates anymore? There are associations out there that require ZERO cash involvement from it's members. (as it should be) To pay someone is like the blind leading the deaf. Retarded and pointless. I mean seriously how is paying them going to help you or your business out?? It simply won't

shine · 03-23-09, 07:27

jdoria - you bring up some good points about the whole certification IT world. Certifications are one thing, real world, hands-on experience is another. The certifications will get the interview but then you have to start answering real questions during the interview that will determine if you get the job or not.

I should have my MCSA/MCSE and a slew of ComTIA certs within the year...time will tell what that will do for me.

Relaited · 03-24-09, 05:37

Yo Jakerooni,

Wow, your posts are often quite negative. My momma did not raise a dummy, I can see the dates, comments still as relevant as today.

Professional Detailers are most often very poor business people, so I am not surprised many do not see the value.

-jim

Jakerooni · 03-24-09, 05:53

My post are not negitive they are very blunt and to the point. (goes with being where I'm from I'm told) I don't single out and down people but I don't sugercoat obvious questions.I won't put a nice spin on it just to save someone's feelings. I don't get why people say I'm negitive. I'm actually one of the nicer and more helpful people you'd ever meet IRL. I don't think most people would do very well in Flint. It's not negitive to be blunt and to the point. I've never understood the whole "Be nice for the sake of being nice" routine. Seems like such a waste of time to me. If it calls for a nice response so be it. If something so stupidly obvious needs pointed out well... I have a loud mouth I guess.

Banacheq · 03-25-09, 01:59

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