Ultima Paint Guard Plus claims need testing

YoMike · 09-16-07, 02:54

Ultima Paint Guard Plus has two features it claims.
That it is resistant to detergents and the other is demonstrated thru an animation on the store page showing it's layering ability. Maybe to fill slight swirl marks? It would be great if anyone with this new product could post some feedback.
I'm currently using Zaino Z5pro, Z2pro, Z7, Z6, Z8. Z5pro claims it fills but I've never seem any sign of it!
Also 16oz of Ultima Paint Guard Plus is just way to much for a weekend warrior like me. The sample pack size is great, just wish all the new Ultima products could be included.

wannafbody · 09-16-07, 08:33

I didn't believe Z5pro filled either. I hand polished a hood with a mixed polish combo and had some slight micromarring. On one side of the hood I applied Tropicare and Z5pro on the other side. The Z5pro did do some filling but it is very minor.

I believe that UPGP is 12 ounces.

The best testing of any product is by the end user and their opinion of the product in their environment.

beabout · 11-02-07, 09:46

Yes, I would like to know does layering UPGP:

1. Enhance its protection factor?
2. Enhance the shine at all, or to a degree the mark one eyeball can see?

I do like the results from the 1st application with proper prep, or am I waisting my time putting all this stuff on.... thanks in advance.

On a side note I agree that the sample size is large enough for 2 car family. Normal size seems to be to much product for my purposes. anyone else see this?

SHICKS · 11-02-07, 12:02

I can say that PGP seems to be dawn proof. My car was done with Z5Pro topped with many layers of ZCS this past summer. When I got my sample kit, I did an IPA wipe down of 1/4 of my hood, then PPP, then about 4 layers of PGP.

When I decided to PGP my whole car, I washed with dawn. Both the ZCS and PGP held up to the dawn. Then I went to straight dawn the the hood, this is the new more powerful dawn. The ZCS started to fail, but PGP was beading and sheeting like crazy. Lost most of the slickness though.

I don't know if beading ans sheeting means there was protection, but usually when I do a dawn wash I can tell the LSP has been stripped.

Steve

Rob Tomlin · 11-02-07, 09:22

It's a bit off topic, but I agree with others that Z5 does little, if any, filling of swirls.

beabout · 11-08-07, 07:52

TTT still no real answers to my questions??? please someone...

WilliamHBonney · 11-08-07, 07:59

I think thats one of the great things about the product is how much you get for the money.

As far as Z5 and filling goes, it does do some filling as I have seen it on a black Rodeo that I did this summer but it is very minor.

Tallboy · 11-08-07, 08:13

I know I'm new with a low post count, but not a rookie. I bought a few Ultima products and found the PGP to be an excellent product, once I figured out how to use it properly [I used too much.] On my black Marauder, I found that a new coat of PGP every 24 hours or so layered nicely and added a lot of depth. I've used it on about 8 cars so far, and have been very pleased.

That being said, the car still needs a Professional Detailing [owning a PC7424 does not make me a pro] and Brian [VaSupershine] will be here the day after Thanksgiving to do my car and a friend's. I'll post up when she's all done...

SpoiledMan · 11-08-07, 09:22

I applied one layer to a section of my hood and waited 24 hours. I then did 5 straight Dawn washes. There was some change in the beading and slickness was knocked down but it was still obvious where there was protection. I say it lives up to the detergent proof claim.

My Dawn wash method was to apply Dawn directly to the sponge and then scrub the paint. Rinse and do over.

DavidB · 11-08-07, 09:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by YoMike

Z5pro claims it fills but I've never seem any sign of it!
Also 16oz of Ultima Paint Guard Plus is just way to much for a weekend warrior like me. The sample pack size is great, just wish all the new Ultima products could be included.

I'd like to address the issue of layering and swirl filling.

I have done extensive testing of products that claim to be able to fill swirls. In general, waxes and glazes do the best job, because they never dry completely. This allows the oils to settle into the low areas (swirls and fine scratches) to provide a good coverup. The problem is they simply wash off.

Some traditional sealant products (both polymer and acrylic based) claim to have filling properties, and to an extent they all do. If a sealant does not contain cleaners (mechanical or chemical), it will reduce the appearance of swirls and other fine marring with two or more coats.

The issue with traditional wipe-on, wipe-off products is the fact that you wipe off 99% of what you apply. The film build is very (VERY) thin. In this regard, the new generation of clear sealants have a potential advantage.

With Ultima Paint Guard Plus, more than 70% of what you wipe on remains. Further, the UPGP formula is so thin that it is self leveling. So, with each coating, it does fill surface imperfections. The question is, to what level can UPGP and other clear sealants fill? Let's face it, a film build of 1 micron is very thin. A 1 micron swirl mark is also very faint.

Another issue we're beginning to see with UPGP is that it faithfully reflects the condition of the surface below. That's the primary reason we recommend using Ultima Paint Prep Plus. Properly used, this polish creates a very clear and clean clearcoat finish and UPGP loves it.

beabout · 11-08-07, 10:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by DavidB

I'd like to address the issue of layering and swirl filling.

I have done extensive testing of products that claim to be able to fill swirls. In general, waxes and glazes do the best job, because they never dry completely. This allows the oils to settle into the low areas (swirls and fine scratches) to provide a good coverup. The problem is they simply wash off.

Some traditional sealant products (both polymer and acrylic based) claim to have filling properties, and to an extent they all do. If a sealant does not contain cleaners (mechanical or chemical), it will reduce the appearance of swirls and other fine marring with two or more coats.

The issue with traditional wipe-on, wipe-off products is the fact that you wipe off 99% of what you apply. The film build is very (VERY) thin. In this regard, the new generation of clear sealants have a potential advantage.

With Ultima Paint Guard Plus, more than 70% of what you wipe on remains. Further, the UPGP formula is so thin that it is self leveling. So, with each coating, it does fill surface imperfections. The question is, to what level can UPGP and other clear sealants fill? Let's face it, a film build of 1 micron is very thin. A 1 micron swirl mark is also very faint.

Another issue we're beginning to see with UPGP is that it faithfully reflects the condition of the surface below. That's the primary reason we recommend using Ultima Paint Prep Plus. Properly used, this polish creates a very clear and clean clearcoat finish and UPGP loves it.

Thanks for your post... answers questions....

Rob Tomlin · 11-08-07, 06:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by DavidB

I'd like to address the issue of layering and swirl filling.

I have done extensive testing of products that claim to be able to fill swirls. In general, waxes and glazes do the best job, because they never dry completely. This allows the oils to settle into the low areas (swirls and fine scratches) to provide a good coverup. The problem is they simply wash off.

Some traditional sealant products (both polymer and acrylic based) claim to have filling properties, and to an extent they all do. If a sealant does not contain cleaners (mechanical or chemical), it will reduce the appearance of swirls and other fine marring with two or more coats.

The issue with traditional wipe-on, wipe-off products is the fact that you wipe off 99% of what you apply. The film build is very (VERY) thin. In this regard, the new generation of clear sealants have a potential advantage.

With Ultima Paint Guard Plus, more than 70% of what you wipe on remains. Further, the UPGP formula is so thin that it is self leveling. So, with each coating, it does fill surface imperfections. The question is, to what level can UPGP and other clear sealants fill? Let's face it, a film build of 1 micron is very thin. A 1 micron swirl mark is also very faint.

Another issue we're beginning to see with UPGP is that it faithfully reflects the condition of the surface below. That's the primary reason we recommend using Ultima Paint Prep Plus. Properly used, this polish creates a very clear and clean clearcoat finish and UPGP loves it.

Nice post David! I definitely have to give UPGP a try.