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09-10-07, 08:37
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bwalker25 is online now Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Durham, NC Posts: 719 | Re: (Diminishing) shine of UPGP?
even if it gets buffed off, its blue it doesn't stain the paint blue it all dries and buffs off clear! on a microscopic level it dries clear so it doesn't matter.
remember 90% of ANY shine is prep work, maybe PGP was applied over a wax that it didn't bond to correctly and after the car was washed it streaked the PGP. perhaps a polish with PPP and then an application of UPGP will fix this issue? | |
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09-10-07, 09:54
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Scottwax is offline
Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Arlington, TX Posts: 25,603 | Re: (Diminishing) shine of UPGP?
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Originally Posted by wannafbody 16 gets buffed off- big difference | No, it isn't. | |
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09-10-07, 10:04
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Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Southern Cali Posts: 6,664 | Re: (Diminishing) shine of UPGP?
Most every LSP on the market isn't "optically clear" yet are marketed as being so. Can you see through the *pink* Z2 Pro? Not unless you're from another planet but when you wipe it away it's nice and clear on the surface. Just like *any* LSP you leave so little behind that it doesn't matter what color it is. Get over it already.
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09-10-07, 12:32
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My concern is not whether "non-clear" liquid will end up clear on paint. My concern is whether UPGP is supposed to look whitish/milkish in bottle or not so I can know is product OK or not. | |
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09-10-07, 12:36
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Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: DC Metro Posts: 108 | Re: (Diminishing) shine of UPGP?
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Originally Posted by ZoranC My concern is not whether "non-clear" liquid will end up clear on paint. My concern is whether UPGP is supposed to look whitish/milkish in bottle or not so I can know is product OK or not. | Mine looks that way and seems to perform just fine. Other than the sprayer that is. RG | |
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09-10-07, 12:50
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Originally Posted by Rob22315 Mine looks that way and seems to perform just fine. | Question is not what you and I have in the bottle and do they seem to work, question is are they supposed to look that way or not. Only manufacturer can answer that. | |
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09-10-07, 04:17
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Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: DC Metro Posts: 108 | Re: (Diminishing) shine of UPGP?
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Originally Posted by ZoranC Question is not what you and I have in the bottle and do they seem to work, question is are they supposed to look that way or not. Only manufacturer can answer that. | Yes, but absent a reply from the manufacturer, a poll of people who've received bottle would at least give you a leading indicator of how it's supposed to look. Slickness is great so far but not sure how long it will last.
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09-10-07, 04:28
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Originally Posted by Rob22315 Yes, but absent a reply from the manufacturer, a poll of people who've received bottle would at least give you a leading indicator of how it's supposed to look. | It would not. First it is not statistically big enough sample (we could have all received content from the same "drum"). Second, for example, a number of people received Detail Sprays that had gunk. I lost count how many I received with a gunk. Even bottles sent out to replace ones with gunk had gunk. Still they were not supposed to look that way. Many wrongs together doesn't make them all right. | |
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09-10-07, 05:50
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Originally Posted by Scottwax No, it isn't. | please explain
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09-10-07, 06:02
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Originally Posted by wannafbody please explain | #16 doesn't leave a blue residue, even if not buffed off. Remember, Z5 isn't clear but it pretty much dries to a clear shine even in the absence of buffing. Whether or not a bottle of product is clear in the bottle has no impact that I can see on how it looks when properly applied.
Opti-Seal looks clear, Ultima does not...but side by side after curing, they look the same. The Ultima side is in no way darker or tinted due to Ultima not being a clear liquid. | |
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09-10-07, 06:08
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with any wipe off product that has a tint to it the tint is removed upon wiping off the haze. If a cloudy WOWA product is applied to a painted surface it would make sense that the polymer film isn't totally clear. Does this make it a bad product-NO. It would seem to make it different than ZCS. Heck, maybe it might make it better than CS if you like the look, maybe that's what produces the darkening effect some report. I DUNNO
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09-10-07, 08:20
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bwalker25 is online now Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Durham, NC Posts: 719 | Re: (Diminishing) shine of UPGP?
i still stand behind, its all in the prep, maybe upgp didn't bond to something already on the car, maybe UPPP wasn't used prior to UPGP, dont know if it really matters or not, but this seems to be a PREP issue and not a product issue. I sugguest contacting DavidB with your concerns and either ask for a refund or ..... something.... | |
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