Layering and Topping Ultima Paint Guard Plus - Page 2

DavidB · 08-21-07, 06:29

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Originally Posted by wannafbody

that would seem to indicate that filling is safer than removing anything more than micromarring.

I don't know if that is realistic with this kind of product. However, there are other clear polymers that are being used to repair scratches in clear lenses. I suspect this is really the next step is to create a clearcoat repair polymer.

Setec Astronomy · 08-21-07, 06:33

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Originally Posted by wannafbody

that would seem to indicate that filling is safer than removing anything more than micromarring.

Well, that is some conventional wisdom that many on here have espoused. David B. has given us some great marring-depth info earlier in this thread, estimating that a MF swirl is (2000nm) about 80 millionths deep, or .08 mil (.00008"), so you could easily remove that completely without removing anywhere near the .0003-.0005 of clear that is said by many mfrs. to be the limit beyond which UV resistance will be compromised. Of course, if you do it multiple times, you might have a problem.

If Ultima PGP can really fill these and deeper imperfections, then that certainly would result in better paint longevity than repeatedly using abrasive polishes in an attempt to remove them.

Setec Astronomy · 08-21-07, 06:35

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Originally Posted by DavidB

I don't know if that is realistic with this kind of product. However, there are other clear polymers that are being used to repair scratches in clear lenses. I suspect this is really the next step is to create a clearcoat repair polymer.

Isn't your graphic at the start of this thread illustrating PGP filling micromarring? Or is it supposed to be microporosity or surface irregularity being filled, at a smaller size than the 1000-2000 nm micromarring?

DavidB · 08-21-07, 07:03

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Originally Posted by Setec Astronomy

Isn't your graphic at the start of this thread illustrating PGP filling micromarring? Or is it supposed to be microporosity or surface irregularity being filled, at a smaller size than the 1000-2000 nm micromarring?

True, but what I think wannafbody was suggesting is that the product be used to fill scratches, not remove them. Problem being that at some point (have not figured out what level) you get surface echo rather than filling. At the point gravity takes over, filling capability ends.

I'm trying to establish real expectations. Micromarring is easy. Beyong micromarring is a claim I won't make. You will get visual improvement, to be sure.

wannafbody · 08-21-07, 07:19

My comment was meant to be more of a generic comment-any product that fills- such as Danase acrylic glaze, swirlbuster, Z5p or Ultima. What is surface echo?

Low Tech · 08-21-07, 07:35

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Originally Posted by mbkintner

Low Tech's post is here with a follow-up from Lynn.

Mike

My original question stemmed from this quote on the web page: Ultima Paint Guard Plus

Can Ultima Paint Guard Plus be applied over another manufacturer's wax product?
You bet! Although we recommend first using Ultima Paint Prep Plus, many people have used Ultima Paint Guard Plus over other (fully cured) wax products with very good results. In all cases, Ultima Paint Guard Plus will increase gloss and durability.

I'm a Klasse/Carnauba user and thought I'd try it over my previous layers.

A partial contradiction, but I guess technically it is correct. UPGP can be applied over the products without bonding issues, but it is not noted that UPGP removes the other products. Lynn/David cleard this up for me.

I amd going to try it on a new car later this week, however...

DavidB · 08-21-07, 07:38

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Originally Posted by wannafbody

What is surface echo?

Ever seen a bad repair job, where the body shop did not fully sand out the coarse sanding scratches or did not properly feather the filler? What you see in the final finish is an echo from the crappy work below.

wannafbody · 08-21-07, 08:01

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Originally Posted by DavidB

Ever seen a bad repair job, where the body shop did not fully sand out the coarse sanding scratches or did not properly feather the filler? What you see in the final finish is an echo from the crappy work below.

So if I understand you correctly it's possible that any clear polymer that fills could amplify the defect?

DavidB · 08-21-07, 09:11

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Originally Posted by wannafbody

So if I understand you correctly it's possible that any clear polymer that fills could amplify the defect?

I'd have no way to answer that... I'd be guessing.

mbkintner · 08-23-07, 05:52

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Originally Posted by mbkintner

This.....

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Originally Posted by DavidB

If you have applied a high quality sealant system to your paint, and you wish to apply Ultima Paint Guard Plus over this fully cured sealant, you can. The solvents in our product are gentle enough that they will most likely leave the cured sealant intact (unless you totally saturate your paint finish with our product).

does not seem to play nice with this.....

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Originally Posted by Low Tech

Just heard from Lynn: My assumtions were wrong - Paint Guard Plus removes ALL waxes/protectants... I Can't use it over synthetics like Klasse or Glazes like Danase Wet Glaze without theeir being removed by the UPGP...

[Thanks, Lynn for the quick response!]

Or am I reading this wrong?

Low Tech's post is here with a follow-up from Lynn.

Mike

Bueller, Bueller.......David, David.......Fry, Fry

DavidB · 08-23-07, 05:54

Yes, do you have a question?

mbkintner · 08-23-07, 06:06

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Originally Posted by DavidB

Yes, do you have a question?

Sure do!

Your post seemed to imply that UPGP use over cured wax and sealants should be okay in most cases. The post I linked to by Lynn implied the exact opposite. Did I misread that or is there a discrepancy that needs to be resolved?

Not pointing a finger.....just trying to get a clear understanding.

Thanks